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The 2000 dollar amounts are not adjusted for inflation
It still shows the same trend regardless of inflation. There isn't any other conclusion you could come to but a gain in Black middle-class households and a loss in lower-income households. It wouldn't change the narrative. It also makes Charlotte look worse because Charlotte actually gained more households making under $50,000 since 2000 which when inflation is factored in is even lower than that.
Last edited by MDAllstar; 07-07-2022 at 03:02 PM..
But looking at it that way penalizes cities that dont bleed poor black residents. If the discussion is around which city is gaining the most black middle and upper class, what poor black residents do should be irrelevant.
If this conversation is about cities only, the square mileage cant be factored in. In personally hate looking at data by city proper because there is no way to uniformly compare any two cities because they vary in land size so much. If thats not what you intended, it would have to be more neighborhood based. The title could have been more like "Which urban neighborhoods are attracting the most Middle Class black residents?".
Either way we slice this, it was mentioned to be a top 10. Charlotte is going to be top 10 no matter how this is sliced. So is Fort Worth, Indianapolis, and Phoenix even though those are hardly seen as cool cities by the black community through my conversations.
My response was for the list of cities with either a gain or loss of Black population since 2000 which was irrelevant to the thread because it showed cities like Charlotte gaining tons of Black people without factoring what income bracket they were in which speaks to the topic of the thread. Charlotte has gained many Black people, but Charlotte has not gained more middle-class Black households than other cities that are losing Black residents. The question of "who" cities are losing is relevant.
It still shows the same trend regardless of inflation. There isn't any other conclusion you could come to but a gain in Black middle-class households and a loss in lower-income households. It wouldn't change the narrative. It also makes Charlotte look worse because Charlotte actually gained more households making under $50,000 since 2000 which when inflation is factored in is even lower than that.
what trend is it showing? lol, Inflation??
What is low-income today wasn't low income in 2000. Especially not when you adjust for COL in these cities, particularly Baltimore, which I didn't do and is separate from inflation.
My response was for the list of cities with either a gain or loss of Black population since 2000 which was irrelevant to the thread because it showed cities like Charlotte gaining tons of Black people without factoring what income bracket they were in which speaks to the topic of the thread. Charlotte has gained many Black people, but Charlotte has not gained more middle-class Black households than other cities that are losing Black residents. The question of "who" cities are losing is relevant.
The concept of factoring in the loss of poor black residents as a bonus props up cities that have negative black growth to be favored over those who have just as many new black middle class residents. If Charlotte and Baltimore have the same number of black middle class moving in, then they are equally footed for this topic. Saying that Baltimore somehow has an edge because it bleeds poor black residents implies that there is specific intent to give Baltimore the up over Charlotte.
What is low-income today wasn't low income in 2000. Especially not when you adjust for COL in these cities, particularly Baltimore, which I didn't do and is separate from inflation.
Even if we only use the very bottom and very top, it shows who is leaving and who is coming:
Baltimore Black Household Income Difference 2000-2020
Total Black Households: = -7178
Less than $10,000 = -13247
$10,000 to $14,999 = -2512
$15,000 to $19,999 = -3960
$20,000 to $24,999 = -5502
$25,000 to $29,999 = -3832
Baltimore Black Household Income Difference 2000-2020
Total Black Households: = -7178
$100,000 to $124,999 = +6396
$125,000 to $149,999 = +4166
$150,000 to $199,999 = +3467
$200,000 or more = +2220
Are you trying to tell me that all these new households making over $100k aren't middle-class or that all these households making under $30k aren't low-income? It doesn't matter what inflation is for the income classes I just listed. Even if the households making $100k use to make $75k, they still would be middle-class and could afford Baltimore City. I'm trying to understand your point. They would still be who they are 22 years ago.
Are you trying to tell me that all these new households making over $100k aren't middle-class or that all these households making under $30k aren't low-income? It doesn't matter what inflation is for the income classes I just listed. Even if the households making $100k use to make $75k, they still would be middle-class. They would still be who they are 22 years ago.
$29K in the year 2000 is just shy of $50K in 2022 adjusted for inflation. If you are saying that $49K is low income today, then yes, $29K was low income 22 years ago.
The concept of factoring in the loss of poor black residents as a bonus props up cities that have negative black growth to be favored over those who have just as many new black middle class residents. If Charlotte and Baltimore have the same number of black middle class moving in, then they are equally footed for this topic. Saying that Baltimore somehow has an edge because it bleeds poor black residents implies that there is specific intent to give Baltimore the up over Charlotte.
No, I said Baltimore added the same amount of Black middle-class residents in a fraction of the land mass. I was really making two points. The thread isn't about any type of Black growth. It is about Black middle-class growth. I was going against the narrative that most people live with because the media has trained the thought process for Americans.
I will give you an example:
Be honest....
Prior to today, would you have guessed that the City of Charlotte gained less Black middle-class households than the City of Chicago between 2000-2020?
We can interchange many cities with that question by the way.
Of course, there are fewer black residents with under $10,000 in income than $6,650 in 20200 money. Just as one example
I can't explain Charlotte but Baltimore and Chicago are both following pretty logical patterns here. Aside from all of this I already posted Baltimore Balck median household income has increased $2690 and poverty has decreased from 29.1% to 24.3% I think that's the strongest basis for an argument you have here. But this obscures the fact that there are fewer Black families, and people in Baltimore and the suburban areas saw greater increases in income.
I'm living here and if this is what a top 10 gain in middle-class blk people looks like- I'm all set. I think there are probably more young black people making decent money in the city than in recent years. But idk pandemic could've changed that Baltimore lost 11,000 residents from 2020-2021 whereas a place like Charlotte gained 5,000.
I dont want to inflation adjust all the numbers and I wasnt here in 2000 or 2010 so ill just stop here. The popular perception is the city is losing black middle class and gaining a white upper middle class (the white poverty rate has dropped from 17% to 11%, much more significant than the black drop) and anecdotally that seems true.
$29K in the year 2000 is just shy of $50K in 2022 adjusted for inflation. If you are saying that $49K is low income today, then yes, $29K was low income 22 years ago.
Is that what you're saying?
Yes. That is why I highlighted the $25,000 difference when I said people making $100,000 today may have been making $75,000 in 2000, but they were still part of the same class.
Of course, there are fewer black residents with under $10,000 in income than $6,650 in 20200 money. Just as one example
I can't explain Charlotte but Baltimore and Chicago are both following pretty logical patterns here. Aside from all of this I already posted Baltimore Balck median household income has increased $2690 and poverty has decreased from 29.1% to 24.3% I think that's the strongest basis for an argument you have here. But this obscures the fact that there are fewer Black families, and people in Baltimore and the suburban areas saw greater increases in income.
I'm living here and if this is what a top 10 gain in middle-class blk people looks like- I'm all set. I think there are probably more young black people making decent money in the city than in recent years. But idk pandemic could've changed that Baltimore lost 11,000 residents from 2020-2021 whereas a place like Charlotte gained 5,000.
I dont want to inflation adjust all the numbers and I wasnt here in 2000 or 2010 so ill just stop here. The popular perception is the city is losing black middle class and gaining a white upper middle class (the white poverty rate has dropped from 17% to 11%, much more significant than the black drop) and anecdotally that seems true.
But you will need to explain Charlotte if you're going to make your point. Also, how is Baltimore losing Black middle-class families? What data points to that? Every single bracket from $75k to over $200k increased. Even the loss of -13,247 Black households making under $10k, if we added $20k for inflation would be making $30k now, but every income class under $50,000 dropped in population from 2000-2020.
Make it make sense. The loss is for lower-income households. The same is true for St. Louis.
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