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Well, there's both Skyline Chili and Giordano's/Portillo's in Indy so there's that...
But yes, "Kentucky North" extend only the horizontal line drawn from Bloomington to Columbus IN...
P.S. Former resident of Bloomington...south of there you may as well be in Kentucky, period.
The exception at least in terms of educational attainment would be parts of western and central Floyd County, Indiana where I live. There seems to be more transplants here from other areas of the state as well as Purdue University alumni around.
Except that the like of Harrison OH is essentially just outer suburb of Cincy?
I've driven I-65 between Indy and Louisville, and south of Franklin IN it's basically farmlands. The sprawl are unlikely to go further south for another 20 years either as there are still plenty of lands between I-65 to the east and SR-135 (Bargersville area) to the west - an area that's seeing quite a bit of suburban cookie-cutter tract housing right now but will probably not be built up for another 10 years.
South of Columbus IN? It's miles of farmlands. And quite frankly, unless somebody has family in Seymour and doesn't want to move, they won't be commuting to Indy (or Louisville for that matter) from Seymour. The reason why the like of Columbus IN and Seymour grow is that there are actually jobs in those town, i.e. Cummins for the former and Aisin for the latter, that kept both towns somewhat economically vibrant.
I think you misunderstood my point. I’m not arguing that the areas along those corridors are developed or suburban. I’m just pointing how the prevalence of either higher growth rural or exurban areas or areas that are at least somewhat growing when rural trends, at least pre-pandemic, would suggest the opposite. We would need to know more about who is moving to those areas and why.
I don’t think we would ever see a Bos-Wash sort of situation in this area. But high growth areas of any metro do tend to spread to other nearby areas barring geographical barriers, and because these cities really aren’t particularly far from each other, higher growth peripheral suburbs like Harrison OH and even further flung exurbs may eventually bump up to the same sorts of places that are growing similarly away from Indianapolis. It’s not necessarily about where it is today. It’s about the direction it is heading in. It is something where we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
As far as Seymour and Columbus (IN) go, the reason for the population growth isn’t per se relevant - they’re growing, and located in between two fairly close metro areas, and if they help connect the dots, that is significant regardless of why.
The exception at least in terms of educational attainment would be parts of western and central Floyd County, Indiana where I live. There seems to be more transplants here from other areas of the state as well as Purdue University alumni around.
Floyd County IS Kentucky North, though .
Ok, Louisville itself is always not so much of a Kentucky city that just happened to be located in that state.
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I think you misunderstood my point. I’m not arguing that the areas along those corridors are developed or suburban. I’m just pointing how the prevalence of either higher growth rural or exurban areas or areas that are at least somewhat growing when rural trends, at least pre-pandemic, would suggest the opposite. We would need to know more about who is moving to those areas and why.
I don’t think we would ever see a Bos-Wash sort of situation in this area. But high growth areas of any metro do tend to spread to other nearby areas barring geographical barriers, and because these cities really aren’t particularly far from each other, higher growth peripheral suburbs like Harrison OH and even further flung exurbs may eventually bump up to the same sorts of places that are growing similarly away from Indianapolis. It’s not necessarily about where it is today. It’s about the direction it is heading in. It is something where we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
As far as Seymour and Columbus (IN) go, the reason for the population growth isn’t per se relevant - they’re growing, and located in between two fairly close metro areas, and if they help connect the dots, that is significant regardless of why.
Sure...if only it is Columbus IN and Seymour separating Indy and Louisville similar to Austin-SA corridor (New Braunfels and San Marcos). Alas, you still have places like Austin (IN) aka oploid capital in a state full of oploid and meth that are not heading anywhere soon. Even Seymour is really meh - it still feels like a half dead town despite the growth in population.
Ultimately, one has to remember that most of Indy growth came basically from either people from Chicago (since it is a lot cheaper in Indy) and rest of state from those half dead towns that lost its economic base. That helps feed sprawl of Indy but not so much filling in those gaps to other metro areas.
Ok, Louisville itself is always not so much of a Kentucky city that just happened to be located in that state.
Sure...if only it is Columbus IN and Seymour separating Indy and Louisville similar to Austin-SA corridor (New Braunfels and San Marcos). Alas, you still have places like Austin (IN) aka oploid capital in a state full of oploid and meth that are not heading anywhere soon. Even Seymour is really meh - it still feels like a half dead town despite the growth in population.
Ultimately, one has to remember that most of Indy growth came basically from either people from Chicago (since it is a lot cheaper in Indy) and rest of state from those half dead towns that lost its economic base. That helps feed sprawl of Indy but not so much filling in those gaps to other metro areas.
Most of Indy metro area suffers from very poor long-range planning and excessive levels of sprawl. If Marion County started turning around at a faster rate, that would result in a great appreciation of land values and property prices- leading to greater levels of infill development and density that would appeal to wide age range.
Most of Indy metro area suffers from very poor long-range planning and excessive levels of sprawl. If Marion County started turning around at a faster rate, that would result in a great appreciation of land values and property prices- leading to greater levels of infill development and density that would appeal to wide age range.
Geography doesn't help - the area around Indy is VERY flat aka lots of space to sprawl. Seen it in DFW and Houston metro and Indy is no different. When I go to Fishers or Carmel, I would think that I'm in some DFW suburb...same boring tract housings on endless subdivisions built within large blocks form by major arterial.
I just don't see people moving to this "fly over country" in mass to make them a megalopolis in the future . Certainly they are not that now.
Perhaps is housing is so very cheap that it is the incentive to move there.
Well that "flyover country" happens to be where the airplane was invented (Dayton). Cincy and Dayton have already merged with Hamilton and Middletown showing solid revitalization. Springfield is starting to see a similar renaissance based on it's location between Dayton and Columbus.
To the west Growth is accelerating East of Indy and little Columbus Indiana is not so little anymore . Louisville is more disconnected from Cincinnati though because of the rugged terrain along the Ohio River Valley.
I do see this region integrating and becoming the logistics hub of the country. Cincy and Louisville airports are I believe the biggest FedEx/UPS hubs with Amazon expanding as well.
I do see this region integrating and becoming the logistics hub of the country. Cincy and Louisville airports are I believe the biggest FedEx/UPS hubs with Amazon expanding as well.
IND is the 2nd biggest FXG hub outside of Memphis. I know UPS is huge in Louisville, but I don't know what they're ranking is relative to anywhere else. I do believe Amazon is setting up an air hub at CVG.
IND is the 2nd biggest FXG hub outside of Memphis. I know UPS is huge in Louisville, but I don't know what they're ranking is relative to anywhere else. I do believe Amazon is setting up an air hub at CVG.
CVG being a logistics hub also makes sense as it is centrally located to most areas of the eastern US.
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