Which state is the most Californianized of all? (tax, live)
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
I was wavering between Nevada and Washington, but voted Washington State.
Nevada is demographically an extension of California. Las Vegas is SoCal+ and Reno is Norcal+ But Nevada's politics are completely different. They just elected a Republican Governor and Democrats almost lost their Senate seat.
It seems to be California circa 1990s. It lacks the urban liberalism, the cosmopolitanism, and posh/wealthy/elitist vibe of California. And of course the maritime/beach culture that I strongly associate with California. California culture is very much tied to the coast.
Washington has that. Its biggest knock is having relatively few Latinos unlike California.
I'm an native Californian and I honestly don't know how to answer this poll. What exactly does it mean to Californianize a place? Because by around the early 2000s to 2010s most of the people I knew in CA weren't from there, they were transplants from other states. I'm in Boise now and of the CA transplants I know, almost none are originally from CA. One close friend moved from Virginia to San Francisco and then to Boise. Is he Californianizing?
And while Boise has had a big influx of Californians, we also have a lot of people from NY, TX, FL, IL, CO, UT, OR, WA, MT, WY, NV, and other states. There are just a lot of people that move around in the US, and that's not a bad thing.
New Mexico has had an influx of Hollywood production companies and two or three production studios moving in over the last few years. You have undoubtedly seen things produced here. I have talked to screen writers and animation and computer people that now live here but I don't see much evidence of any broad impact. New Mexico has a history of dulling the impact of invaders. I hear many more complaints about Texans than Californians.
I was wavering between Nevada and Washington, but voted Washington State.
Nevada is demographically an extension of California. Las Vegas is SoCal+ and Reno is Norcal+ But Nevada's politics are completely different. They just elected a Republican Governor and Democrats almost lost their Senate seat.
It seems to be California circa 1990s. It lacks the urban liberalism, the cosmopolitanism, and posh/wealthy/elitist vibe of California. And of course the maritime/beach culture that I strongly associate with California. California culture is very much tied to the coast.
Washington has that. Its biggest knock is having relatively few Latinos unlike California.
Washington state has NOT been Californianized!!! It is home grown stupidity. Didn't need any help from California. California influence in Washington state is minimal.
"lacks the urban liberalism"......nah, just as crazy as California.
"the cosmoplolitanism".....yeah, particularly western Washington, but Vancouver, Canada is just over the border and they are a world class city. Seattle is a a collection of suburbs in search of a city.
"posh/wealthy/elitist vibe of California"....far exceeds California on this one. And it takes a lot to beat California!!!
FEW LATINOS in Washington state!!! Visit much??
Yeah, western Washington is pretty lily white, but eastern Washington has a huge Latino population!! It is pushing 40% in the eastern half of the state.
Nevada. We share Lake Tahoe with them, and Vegas is a short jaunt away for Southern California. I know more people with second homes in Tahoe (Nevada side, Stateline) than any other place, and way more have moved to Vegas than anywhere in Arizona. By far.
Honestly none. I did vote Washington but could see an argument for Nevada. Texas is the opposite of California.
Hmm I don't see Texas being the opposite of CA at all. I'd say opposite of Texas would be something like Massachusetts. California cities mostly feel like slightly nicer versions of Texas cities, and outside of SF proper they have a similar suburban, decentralized buildout. Both states are very diverse with a large Hispanic influence, and both contain major cities along with significant rural economies.
Politically, the states are very different mainly because California is controlled by the urban populations in the major cities whereas Texas is not.
That said, I certainly wouldn't pick Texas in this poll or argue that it has been "Californiaized". It's more that I don't find the established Texas culture and the established California culture all that different in the grand scheme of things.
I'm an native Californian and I honestly don't know how to answer this poll. What exactly does it mean to Californianize a place? Because by around the early 2000s to 2010s most of the people I knew in CA weren't from there, they were transplants from other states. I'm in Boise now and of the CA transplants I know, almost none are originally from CA. One close friend moved from Virginia to San Francisco and then to Boise. Is he Californianizing?
And while Boise has had a big influx of Californians, we also have a lot of people from NY, TX, FL, IL, CO, UT, OR, WA, MT, WY, NV, and other states. There are just a lot of people that move around in the US, and that's not a bad thing.
BUT Idaho is probably the state most affected simply because of smaller population.
It has meant different things at different times.
I was living in Idaho during the first California migration in the late 1970's. In those days, it was lots of very conservative folks that hated government and were fleeing California. That is why Senator Frank Church lost his Senate seat in 1980.
These days it is primarily economic and social refugees. They are fleeing California because of the issues, but really miss California so are pretty liberal compared to the natives.
We are getting a few more Californians these days, but unfortunately, all these new migrants from California these days do not want to pick fruit.
Except in western Washington, those folks are just the same as Californians.
And what they have in common is urban values, not very friendly, house focused in that they build and like living in McMansions. They like driving Tesla's.
I think that is what most people call Californication. You move to a rural state and promptly start changing it to be more like California.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
