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Old 02-10-2023, 08:13 AM
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Location: Houston, TX/Detroit, MI
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Yeah we cant use the ACS up here, we literally have to wait for the US Census' lol.

Or we can come up with our own estimates. I estimated NJ's population 9.38 million people. I didn't do any other state because I am not too familiar with them.
The ACS is overall extremely good. It has a stated margin of error of up to 5% and, other than NYC, it nailed it on every city/metro area nationwide.

I'd also add that the ACS did extremely well with foreign born groups, Hispanics, and Asians even in NYC. What they did get wrong in NYC was regarding White and African American residents.

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Old 02-10-2023, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Hudson County, New Jersey
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The ACS is overall extremely good. It has a stated margin of error of up to 5% and, other than NYC, it nailed it on every city/metro area nationwide.

I'd also add that the ACS did extremely well with foreign born groups, Hispanics, and Asians even in NYC. What they did get wrong in NYC was regarding White and African American residents.
No it didnt lol. It was very off, outside its margin of error on a lot of places. The biggest being New York State, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York City, etc

The biggest issue is they also get trends wrong too. They say certain states start a steep decline when those states actually are growing (ie, CT, PA, NY, NJ, MA). Like its okay to be off... but getting whole trends wrong?
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Old 02-10-2023, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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No it didnt lol. It was very off, outside its margin of error on a lot of places. The biggest being New York State, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York City, etc

The biggest issue is they also get trends wrong too. They say certain states start a steep decline when those states actually are growing (ie, CT, PA, NY, NJ, MA). Like its okay to be off... but getting whole trends wrong?
Yeah. Unfortunately I'm not going to be excited again until the 2030 Census, and that is a long time to wait. I don't trust the ACS estimates after seeing how off they were for the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic areas in overstating the population decline.
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Old 02-10-2023, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Hudson County, New Jersey
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Yeah. Unfortunately I'm not going to be excited again until the 2030 Census, and that is a long time to wait. I don't trust the ACS estimates after seeing how off they were for the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic areas in overstating the population decline.
Yeah, not even post 2020 Census, but the whole 2011-2019 estimate years, as well as 2005-2009.
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Old 02-10-2023, 12:36 PM
 
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While very true, its not a new issue.

They were off on NYS population by over 1 million! And they assumed it was in spiral decline when it was the opposite. Same with NJ, 500k off. MA and PA were 300k off.
To be fair, the census bureau later said they overcounted New York.
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Old 02-10-2023, 01:17 PM
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Location: Houston, TX/Detroit, MI
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To be fair, the census bureau later said they overcounted New York.
This.

Plus I think its somewhat funny that some people think they can somehow estimate by themselves better than the ACS could. The ACS did a pretty good job. Ill post specifics later.
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Old 02-10-2023, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Charlotte (Hometown: Columbia SC)
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Interesting how South Carolina is now outpacing Georgia in migration. Probably more of a retirement destination now.
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Old 02-10-2023, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Hudson County, New Jersey
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This.

Plus I think its somewhat funny that some people think they can somehow estimate by themselves better than the ACS could. The ACS did a pretty good job. Ill post specifics later.
Agree to disagree.

Census just cant do more urban areas.
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Old 02-10-2023, 08:46 PM
 
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Interesting how South Carolina is now outpacing Georgia in migration. Probably more of a retirement destination now.
Not at all. Charleston has become something of an economic powerhouse with companies like Boeing employing several thousand, and growing. The same in Greenville-Spartanburg (BMW and Michelin-Bridgestone for example) and recently for Columbia as well where many are discovering its assets coupled with below average living costs,
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Old 02-10-2023, 09:33 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Interesting how South Carolina is now outpacing Georgia in migration. Probably more of a retirement destination now.
Also, the cost of living in Georgia is increasing while the quality of life is not.
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