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Of course there's something southern about Southern NJ, it's south of Northern NJ. The fact some people think New Jersey is "Southern" goes a long way to explain why the same folks think the D.C. area is "Southern". Everything that's just a slight bit different than New England is the South to them.
Of course there's something southern about Southern NJ, it's south of Northern NJ. The fact some people think New Jersey is "Southern" goes a long way to explain why the same folks think the D.C. area is "Southern". Everything that's just a slight bit different than New England is the South to them.
LA isn’t the south.
Naw but seriously some places in Jersey are at the same latitude as places in Virginia and below the Mason Dixon... you can feel it.
Naw but seriously some places in Jersey are at the same latitude as places in Virginia and below the Mason Dixon... you can feel it.
Yes, Cape May Lighthouse is further south (by a tiny margin) than Dulles Airport in Virginia, but so are Colorado Springs and Sacramento and that doesn't make them Southern.
I mean that's the whole thing we're talking about in this thread. The Mid-Atlantic. The region between New England and the Southeast. Pretty much everyone here is in agreement that New Jersey is part of the Mid-Atlantic region and in particular for the Philly-influenced southern part it's pretty obvious.
And with regards to the South as a cultural meta-region, it's simple overlap..some parts of the Mid-Atlantic were seen culturally as part of the South, some weren't. New Jersey wasn't ever. Just like New Jersey never was considered a part of New England. It's always been a part of the "Middle".
But even in southern NJ your transport routes are more designed to take you to Philly or even New York than to D.C. and points south,. In fact, to go to D.C. from there you practically first have to head into the Philly suburbs. The fact no-one at any point thought it logical or profitable to build closer transport links to Maryland and Virginia from there is clearly illustrative of the lack of ties between the places.
To be clear NJ is as mid Atlantic as it gets. Doesn’t mean It can’t feel slightly Southern in a very small portion or in some towns. Especially to people from New England.
To be clear NJ is as mid Atlantic as it gets. Doesn’t mean It can’t feel slightly Southern in a very small portion or in some towns. Especially to people from New England.
But what is a Southern "feel"?
That's something I've read about on this forum for years and years, yet there's no one who can truly articulate it.
That's something I've read about on this forum for years and years, yet there's no one who can truly articulate it.
Arterial roads all over, flat unadorned A&p style stores. Religious billboards, small farms visible form the street in an otherwise suburban environment, outwardly RED politics and signs/bumper stickers, large black population, a relative lack of environmentalism, southern accents, slower pace of life, car socover on the side of the house to keep the car cool, shot gun shack type residences like this, vast amount of treeless, cleared undeveloped land
Isn't it just a sub-region of the greater Northeast? I always think of the New England states to the far East then the Mid-Atlantic states being the next set of states West of there.
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Isn't it just a sub-region of the greater Northeast? I always think of the New England states to the far East then the Mid-Atlantic states being the next set of states West of there.
I think the problem with calling it just a sub Northeast region is the overlap of where North and South bleed into each other (IE Maryland, NOVA, etc.) and then it becomes an endless circular discussion like a dog chasing its own tail.
Mid-Atlantic almost doesn’t exist for me. I can’t really think of any places I would actually call mid-Atlantic, even though it’s supposed to exist. It’s the Northeast starting from north of DC, and the Southeast south of DC, in my mind. So maybe it’s just DC that’s the mid-Atlantic? It’s perhaps the weirdest geographical area in the US, to my mind.
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