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Old 03-17-2023, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Edit: Looking at a map, I guess the Virginia Pine is found in South Jersey and points south, while the white pine is found in North Jersey and points north. I honestly have never heard of this as a south/north dilineation, but I guess if it can exist for kudzu…
Exactly. This is what I’m talking about- there’s a lot of small things I can just tell having been up and down the east coast a bunch of times
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Old 03-17-2023, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Yea, I don't get it as the south is covered in pines. True, the Loblolly might not be the triangle shaped Christmas tree style many think ofbut they are pines non the less. And they are all over the coastal south.
That’s the rub. That’s the difference.
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Old 03-17-2023, 03:57 PM
 
Location: OC
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I honestly don’t know what this means? Because there are different pine trees up north?

Edit: Looking at a map, I guess the Virginia Pine is found in South Jersey and points south, while the white pine is found in North Jersey and points north. I honestly have never heard of this as a south/north dilineation, but I guess if it can exist for kudzu…

Yeah me neither. I've seen palm trees in Seattle. I wonder if that makes it a part of the south now?
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Old 03-17-2023, 05:24 PM
 
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For the record, I know a middle-aged, Italian-American woman who was born and raised in Wildwood, NJ, and she is quintessentially “Northeastern” in terms of disposition and temperament.
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Old 03-17-2023, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Yeah me neither. I've seen palm trees in Seattle. I wonder if that makes it a part of the south now?
Yes, let's compare natural native tree habitats to imported plants that are up for a small portion of the year for the sake of argument. Dense and disingenuous. They plant Palm Trees in the Boston Public Garden..

Also- when did Palm Trees indicate the Southeastern US and not the Tropics or West Coast?
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Old 03-17-2023, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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Yes, let's compare natural native tree habitats to imported plants that are up for a small portion of the year for the sake of argument. Dense and disingenuous. They plant Palm Trees in the Boston Public Garden..

Also- when did Palm Trees indicate the Southeastern US and not the Tropics or West Coast?
Palmetto looks like palms. I don’t see much of either when on the interstates, but it’s a fair delineation in some ways.
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Old 03-17-2023, 06:21 PM
 
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Yes, let's compare natural native tree habitats to imported plants that are up for a small portion of the year for the sake of argument. Dense and disingenuous. They plant Palm Trees in the Boston Public Garden..

Also- when did Palm Trees indicate the Southeastern US and not the Tropics or West Coast?
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Palmetto looks like palms. I don’t see much of either when on the interstates, but it’s a fair delineation in some ways.
Within the Atlantic Coastal Plain, Sussex County, Delaware is the northern extent of some characteristically Southern tree species, such as bald cypress and loblolly pine, for example. North of that area, forested areas have a different look. Even the New Jersey Pine Barrens, which are not that far away from southern Delaware, have pine trees that look more similar to what you would find on Cape Cod or Long Island.
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Old 03-17-2023, 07:24 PM
 
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Yes, let's compare natural native tree habitats to imported plants that are up for a small portion of the year for the sake of argument. Dense and disingenuous. They plant Palm Trees in the Boston Public Garden..

Also- when did Palm Trees indicate the Southeastern US and not the Tropics or West Coast?
To my knowledge, palm trees are not native to the west coast. I’m not disagreeing with your position, just pointing out that palm trees aren’t exactly natural in Los Angeles (or SOCAl or Arizona), which is counterintuitive seeing as how they are now ubiquitous there.
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Old 03-17-2023, 10:16 PM
 
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Exactly. This is what I’m talking about- there’s a lot of small things I can just tell having been up and down the east coast a bunch of times
But your actual quote is South Jersey lacked pine trees, ie it shares that in common with the south. But the South is chock full of pine forests, from the coast to the mountains. The whole discussion is bizarre to be honest. I’ve never heard people using pine species distribution maps to figure out the Southerness of a place.

But to go down this rabbit hole, wiki tells me of the NJ Pine Barrens in Southern Jersey, links it to the NY and Massachusetts Pine Barrens. Further it says the most common tree therein is the pitch pine which is mostly found in the southern part of the Northeast though its range extends up and down the Appalachians. So even this bizarre pine discussion leads us back to where we began, the northeast.
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Old 03-17-2023, 11:49 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Palmetto looks like palms. I don’t see much of either when on the interstates, but it’s a fair delineation in some ways.
Palmettos are Palms.
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