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Urban Nutcracker- a Black LED, Black-Boston themed Nutcracker runs in various theaters in Boston.
"Former ballet star Tony Williams’ “Urban Nutcracker” in Boston incorporates dance styles from hip hop to flamenco and Mexican folk. More than 75 kids from different ethnic and economic backgrounds are part of this year's production."
In terms of where this would be found, the city's East Side, particularly some would likely be in the Westcott neighborhood/around University Hill or the outer neighborhoods on that side of town like Salt Springs or Meadowbrook, both of which has a substantial black middle class. Some may live Downtown, on the South Side or are scattered about the area. I'd say that Westcott, which is known for being relatively bohemian in general and the University Area would make the most sense. A yearly festival that illustrates that: https://westcottstreetfair.org/
OP is asking for neighborhoods, not cities with black bohemians.
But since you want to go that route, I'll play along.
Until Atlanta has an extremely left-wing vegan/environmentalist group that actually takes on the local police force, you can not mention it in the same breath as Philadelphia. That's as bohemian as one can get.
Someone earlier posted about the Malcolm X parade. That's cute. Malcolm X actually lived in North Philly for several months. Can you find brothers selling bean pies reciting NOI scriptures blasting Gil Scot Herron in Atlanta like you can in Philly on Broad and Olney? How about Hebrew Israelites? ISUPK was founded in Philadelphia.
I get it. Atlanta has that vibrant arts scene that attracts many people from cities like Philly. It has a mainstream, surface-level bohemianism similar to NYC. There are black-owned vegan restaurants and black women practicing yoga. but cities like Philly and Detroit take it to the next level. a more radicalized approach along with all the other aforementioned stuff, like Philly really had one of the earliest all-black-fronted punk rock groups in a scene that was predominantly upper-class white. Everything Atlanta has now Philly had done decades ago.
Nah OP specifically asked where do Black creatives live and congregate. For some reason you took it upon yourself to generalize Black Atlanta as being simply mainstream Black culture then proceeded to turn this into a versus thread.
2nd, Right now Atlanta protestors Black and White have been taking on the local police force for months. Have you not heard about the protest against the creation of Cop City?
3rd, NOI, Hebrew Israelites and ISUPK are not Black Bohemians. LOL Do you know what Bohemian means brah?
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a socially unconventional person, especially one who is involved in the arts.
Go up and ask muslim or Hebrew Israelite if they consider themselves a Black Bohemian and they'll throw a bean pie in your face or shout a bible scripture at you. My cousin is a Hebrew Israelite btw and the only time you'll catch him at any event with a bunch of Black Bohemians is when he's with his "brothers" preaching the word about the 12 lost tribes of Israel annoyingly in the streets.
You even mentioned Umar which I ignored at first but yeah he's not bohemian either. I know you think they're bohemian because those different demographics intersect at some of the same events but they're not.
Black Bohemians are centered in the arts and creatives. Btw, I know Philly has a rich Black culture steeped in arts, religion, food but we're talking about modern times. Not the days of MOVE or when Malcolm X lived in North Philly back in the 60s. We're talking 2023.
Also Atlanta has a bigger Black professional demographic than Philly so of course you'll see more flashy types here compared to Philly. Plus it's just more popular than Philly for Black Americans so you'll see a little bit of everything pertaining to Black America.
Btw, I wouldn't consider Black Thought Bohemian nowadays. I mean The Roots been on Jimmy Fallon show for over 10 years now. That's as mainstream as it gets.
Nah OP specifically asked where do Black creatives live and congregate. For some reason you took it upon yourself to generalize Black Atlanta as being simply mainstream Black culture then proceeded to turn this into a versus thread.
2nd, Right now Atlanta protestors Black and White have been taking on the local police force for months. Have you not heard about the protest against the creation of Cop City?
3rd, NOI, Hebrew Israelites and ISUPK are not Black Bohemians. LOL Do you know what Bohemian means brah?
Go up and ask muslim or Hebrew Israelite if they consider themselves a Black Bohemian and they'll throw a bean pie in your face or shout a bible scripture at you. My cousin is a Hebrew Israelite btw and the only time you'll catch him at any event with a bunch of Black Bohemians is when he's with his "brothers" preaching the word about the 12 lost tribes of Israel annoyingly in the streets.
You even mentioned Umar which I ignored at first but yeah he's not bohemian either. I know you think they're bohemian because those different demographics intersect at some of the same events but they're not.
Black Bohemians are centered in the arts and creatives. Btw, I know Philly has a rich Black culture steeped in arts, religion, food but we're talking about modern times. Not the days of MOVE or when Malcolm X lived in North Philly back in the 60s. We're talking 2023.
Also Atlanta has a bigger Black professional demographic than Philly so of course you'll see more flashy types here compared to Philly. Plus it's just more popular than Philly for Black Americans so you'll see a little bit of everything pertaining to Black America.
Btw, I wouldn't consider Black Thought Bohemian nowadays. I mean The Roots been on Jimmy Fallon show for over 10 years now. That's as mainstream as it gets.
Literally means "unconventional person".
You and BBMM are constantly downplaying Philly, but the truth is that it is a hub for homegrown black bohemia. Y'all are sitting here with a straight face claiming the city with the highest number of street murals per capita isn't boho or the city that created tagging. Lol
Y'all are also claiming MOVE, an Afrocentric environmentalist/vegan movement is not bohemian, which is also laughable since the boho movement was/is heavily rooted in Afrocentricism and veganism, like come on bro. .. Philly is home to the largest Afrocentric festival in the country, Odunde. Temple University was the first college to offer black studies as an official course in the country. Even before Bohemianism was a word, The Harlem Renaissance was heavily influenced by Alan Locke of Philadelphia.
The catalyst for the Bohemian movement started and was popularized in Philly from the 70s with sojul and jaz to the early 00s with the emergence of conscious rap and neo-soul movement all while Atlanta was making the most ignorant non-boho music with crunk. I love how everyone forgot how Atlanta was responsible for introducing the country to mumble rap and glorifying trapping and doing drugs. Atlanta had Lil John Philly had Bilal. Now tell me which is Boho and isn't.
? How? Where I do that? I just said you undersold Atlanta. I reaffirmed Philly IS Bohemian for sure. Its just not for the reasons you tried to contrast with ATL.
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Lol the Hebrew Israelites and NOI sell bean pies *everywhere*. I’m sure there’s many in Atlanta That’s also not bohemian.
Philly has black bohemians but that’s not how I would highlight it. I grew up reading the Final Call I’d get near my uncle auto shop where Warren street meets blue hill ave in Grove Hall. Not an area I have mentioned as bohemian. Way too many fake woke conservatives in that area and those movements.
As someone said Atlanta is actually pretty in line with many of the black folks I’ve met from there. Even more are in that neosoul type vibe that Philly owns.
There’s are different types of bohemian but I generally don’t see political activism as a key part of Bohemia,* not even a major part. That’s politically radical and runs sort of counter to the laid back artistic vibe of Bohemia
LGBTQ people are not always counterculture or bohemian. Many love fashion, work in fields other than the arts, enjoy expensive cars, and the usual accoutrements of success.
Atlanta, I am sure, accepts conventional, business oriented, clean cut, Gay men. Perhaps more than long haired heterosexual potters who wear overalls and Blundstones until they fall apart.
Atlanta is still very Christian oriented, with faux hipster megachurches. More conventional whites and blacks from other parts of the country may be drawn there for that reason.
Atlanta isn't anywhere close to being the Black cookie-cutter monolith you think it is but whatever helps you sleep at night.
OP is asking for neighborhoods, not cities with black bohemians.
But since you want to go that route, I'll play along.
Until Atlanta has an extremely left-wing vegan/environmentalist group that actually takes on the local police force, you can not mention it in the same breath as Philadelphia. That's as bohemian as one can get.
Someone earlier posted about the Malcolm X parade. That's cute. Malcolm X actually lived in North Philly for several months. Can you find brothers selling bean pies reciting NOI scriptures blasting Gil Scot Herron in Atlanta like you can in Philly on Broad and Olney? How about Hebrew Israelites? ISUPK was founded in Philadelphia.
I get it. Atlanta has that vibrant arts scene that attracts many people from cities like Philly. It has a mainstream, surface-level bohemianism similar to NYC. There are black-owned vegan restaurants and black women practicing yoga. but cities like Philly and Detroit take it to the next level. a more radicalized approach along with all the other aforementioned stuff, like Philly really had one of the earliest all-black-fronted punk rock groups in a scene that was predominantly upper-class white. Everything Atlanta has now Philly had done decades ago.
You're the only one who's weirdly pitting Atlanta against Philly here for reasons unknown.
I know Philly is often underrated/undersold but you're lashing out here for no reason at all IMO.
In terms of where this would be found, the city's East Side, particularly some would likely be in the Westcott neighborhood/around University Hill or the outer neighborhoods on that side of town like Salt Springs or Meadowbrook, both of which has a substantial black middle class. Some may live Downtown, on the South Side or are scattered about the area. I'd say that Westcott, which is known for being relatively bohemian in general and the University Area would make the most sense. A yearly festival that illustrates that: https://westcottstreetfair.org/
A black owned records shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzWeDMlesEY https://www.buffalorising.com/2019/09/130019/
From the article above: "There is one in particular that sets Doris Records apart as a significant place in both Buffalo and music history. The butchery and apartment building that had once occupied the parking lot next door, was also once home to Mabel Johnson, mother of James Ambrose Johnson Jr., better known as Rick James. When Rick James was living with his mother, he lived there, in an apartment above the butchery. The record store next to that apartment at the time was Doris Records. As a young boy, James would walk over to the one room shop, where Mack Luchey, Big Pete’s dad, would let him sit and listen to records. “I’m going to be famous one day.” You’re going to be selling my records in here” he would say, and Pete’s dad, Mack, would agree. Eventually when he did, he came back to Doris Records and presented Mack Luchey with a plaque of a signed album cover and poster."
As for neighborhoods in Rochester, I'd say parts of the SE Quadrant like Monroe Village, Neighborhood of the Arts(NOTA), South Wedge; as well as some in the 19th Ward, NE Quadrant, Downtown and scattered about.
It's still counterculture, and not mainstream, so yes. I think it is. It also involves becoming acquainted with cultures that do not eat the Standard American Diet, with remains meat heavy.
This brings me to the original poster's question to begin with. It was essentially, not Bohemian. I know so many "Bohemian" people in their 20s and 30s and none ask about race. Or ethnicity. These are not important reasons why they would or would not live anywhere.
Some may want to live in a rural place. Others urban.
But to ask where The BLACK Bohemia is, sounds as though he is looking for a place where only back people live. That doesn't sound very Bohemian to me.
He wants to move to Atlanta. He has from the beginning. So go there. But when you only want to live among your own kind, you are anything but "Bohemian" - you are just like The Establishment.
You and BBMM are constantly downplaying Philly, but the truth is that it is a hub for homegrown black bohemia. Y'all are sitting here with a straight face claiming the city with the highest number of street murals per capita isn't boho or the city that created tagging. Lol
Y'all are also claiming MOVE, an Afrocentric environmentalist/vegan movement is not bohemian, which is also laughable since the boho movement was/is heavily rooted in Afrocentricism and veganism, like come on bro. .. Philly is home to the largest Afrocentric festival in the country, Odunde. Temple University was the first college to offer black studies as an official course in the country. Even before Bohemianism was a word, The Harlem Renaissance was heavily influenced by Alan Locke of Philadelphia.
The catalyst for the Bohemian movement started and was popularized in Philly from the 70s with sojul and jaz to the early 00s with the emergence of conscious rap and neo-soul movement all while Atlanta was making the most ignorant non-boho music with crunk. I love how everyone forgot how Atlanta was responsible for introducing the country to mumble rap and glorifying trapping and doing drugs. Atlanta had Lil John Philly had Bilal. Now tell me which is Boho and isn't.
Who said Philly wasn't Bohemian? I think we acknowledged that it is already and is very rich and steeped when it comes to Black Bohemians. I'm just calling BS on your take of Atlanta.
For somebody who claims Hebrew Israelites and NOI are Bohemian it's obvious you've never if rarely engaged with any of them. Because they would not label themselves Bohemian or even unconventional.
You sound jealous of Atlanta honestly. Btw, I didn't say MOVE wasn't bohemian I stated that we're talking about 2023. If you wanna brag about Philly just say so. I got respect for Philly's Black culture even though I prefer Atlanta's overall Black cultural experience over Philly's but I still have respect for em.
As far as Atlanta being responsible for introducing the country to mumble rap, Atlanta is home to every and any type of Black person yet you're trying to generalize Atlanta like a White supremacist. How you from Philly but that's how you label other Black folks with this kind of supremacist attitude?
Btw before Lil Jon, Atlanta had Outkast and before Bilal, Philly had Schooly D who introduced Gangsta Rap into mainstream music before NWA. Not to mention one of the corniest rappers of all-time Will Smith.
And don't get me started on all the contradicting drug dealing Sunni muslims rappers out of Philly.
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