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Well the cowboy image isn't specific to Texas either. Ok, KS, NM and etc can claim it as well. So it's not a difference.
It's a whole lot more than just the cowboy image that plays into Texas' enormous state pride. You've got their history as an independent republic (e.g., the Alamo), the various cultural influences due to its geographical location (Mexico, the Gulf Coast, the plains, the Southwest), Big Oil, cuisine (Tex-Mex, BBQ, etc), the Cowboys franchise, and so on. There are a whole bunch of factors that play into the state's uniqueness that set it apart from other Southern states. As a matter of fact, it's so unique that a lot of people don't consider the state to be Southern or to even belong to any one region.
And I still don't know why we're discussing this since it has little to nothing to do with state politics.
It's a whole lot more than just the cowboy image that plays into Texas' enormous state pride. You've got their history as an independent republic (e.g., the Alamo), the various cultural influences due to its geographical location (Mexico, the Gulf Coast, the plains, the Southwest), Big Oil, cuisine (Tex-Mex, BBQ, etc), the Cowboys franchise, and so on. There are a whole bunch of factors that play into the state's uniqueness that set it apart from other Southern states. As a matter of fact, it's so unique that a lot of people don't consider the state to be Southern or to even belong to any one region.
And I still don't know why we're discussing this since it has little to nothing to do with state politics.
Remember I'm consider my self both a Texan and Georgian
My point isn't just about Texas, but Georgia compare to lot of others state, Louisiana, Cali, Florida, New Jersey, Ohio, NC, TN, Virginia and etc there is lack state pride compare to others. The notion that there are two Georgia and etc.
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Everything you just said about exist in multiple states every state share things with the next. What makes states unique is the combination that make them, And every state has a unique combination.
Texas is not the only Gulf state, not the only state known for BBQ, Not the only state in the plains, Cowboy history and etc. but that combination is unique to Texas
Georgia is not the only colonial state, not the only Appalachian state, not the only Deep South state, not only state with an other industrial cities, but you know what.... that combination is unique to Georgia.
How I think this relate to politics. I while strongly disagree with any notion that Atlanta takes from other Georgia cities, I do think there an over shadow by Atlanta and that rest of state receives less attentions nationally than secondary cities and rural areas and surrounding states......
As I mention Georgia cost should be competing against South Carolina cost. North Georgia mountains, Should be competing against West NC, and West TN. SC cost is growing faster than GA cost. Secondary cities in NC are growing faster than GA Secondary cities. Why doesn't Athens have a interstate, why isn't there one connecting Augusta to Columbus. There does need to be more attention to promoted to the rest of the state and that would improve the relationship with Atlanta and rest of the state, and that would politically benefit Atlanta in the long run.
It's a whole lot more than just the cowboy image that plays into Texas' enormous state pride. You've got their history as an independent republic (e.g., the Alamo), the various cultural influences due to its geographical location (Mexico, the Gulf Coast, the plains, the Southwest), Big Oil, cuisine (Tex-Mex, BBQ, etc), the Cowboys franchise, and so on. There are a whole bunch of factors that play into the state's uniqueness that set it apart from other Southern states. As a matter of fact, it's so unique that a lot of people don't consider the state to be Southern or to even belong to any one region.
And I still don't know why we're discussing this since it has little to nothing to do with state politics.
It's funny that you mentioned this, and actually I mentioned this or was mentioned on a previous Tread between Atlanta, Dallas and Nashville as far as which one plays on it's City/Country Flavor the most...I don't think it necessary a bad thing either way, and when it comes to the Cities Significance, I don't think it really means much. I think for Georgia, Atlanta does it's hardest to distance it's self from it's Country Roots out of all 3 though, just for the mere fact it's in Georgia and a lot of the southern heritage has been racially based here being the heart of Dixie, where in Dallas or even Nashville it has been more embraced and not so racially based, especially with the elements used in the two places IMO.. I see White's and Blacks alike in Texas and Tennessee taking on the Country style in some ways. The Negative side of the Country/Southern culture seems not to be a factor in those places and they don't shy or run away from it but capitalize on it adding that Urban flavor in the mix.. Atlanta on the other hand seems to be more a shamed of it so to speak in most ways and it put's the city in a odd position of sometime trying to push to be something that it's not. That's just my opinion. I think I love Atlanta the most when it's Mixes it's City but country southern Flavor than trying to ignore it's in the South. Just my opinions here... //www.city-data.com/forum/city-...-its-city.html
It's funny that you mentioned this, and actually I mentioned this or was mentioned on a previous Tread between Atlanta, Dallas and Nashville as far as which one plays on it's City/Country Flavor the most...I don't think it necessary a bad thing either way, and when it comes to the Cities Significance, I don't think it really means much. I think for Georgia, Atlanta does it's hardest to distance it's self from it's Country Roots out of all 3 though, just for the mere fact it's in Georgia and a lot of the southern heritage has been racially based here being the heart of Dixie, where in Dallas or even Nashville it has been more embraced and not so racially based, especially with the elements used in the two places IMO.. I see White's and Blacks alike in Texas and Tennessee taking on the Country style in some ways. The Negative side of the Country/Southern culture seems not to be a factor in those places and they don't shy or run away from it but capitalize on it adding that Urban flavor in the mix.. Atlanta on the other hand seems to be more a shamed of it so to speak in most ways and it put's the city in a odd position of sometime trying to push to be something that it's not. That's just my opinion. I think I love Atlanta the most when it's Mixes it's City but country southern Flavor than trying to ignore it's in the South. Just my opinions here... //www.city-data.com/forum/city-...-its-city.html
Excellent point and what ChiAtl and I are saying. It's degrees, there are obvious examples to the contrary in all these mentioned places, but there is a dislike of rural Georgia in Atlanta that is rather recent and unfortunate that is not felt to the same extent in other places.
It's funny that you mentioned this, and actually I mentioned this or was mentioned on a previous Tread between Atlanta, Dallas and Nashville as far as which one plays on it's City/Country Flavor the most...I don't think it necessary a bad thing either way, and when it comes to the Cities Significance, I don't think it really means much. I think for Georgia, Atlanta does it's hardest to distance it's self from it's Country Roots out of all 3 though, just for the mere fact it's in Georgia and a lot of the southern heritage has been racially based here being the heart of Dixie, where in Dallas or even Nashville it has been more embraced and not so racially based, especially with the elements used in the two places IMO.. I see White's and Blacks alike in Texas and Tennessee taking on the Country style in some ways. The Negative side of the Country/Southern culture seems not to be a factor in those places and they don't shy or run away from it but capitalize on it adding that Urban flavor in the mix.. Atlanta on the other hand seems to be more a shamed of it so to speak in most ways and it put's the city in a odd position of sometime trying to push to be something that it's not. That's just my opinion. I think I love Atlanta the most when it's Mixes it's City but country southern Flavor than trying to ignore it's in the South. Just my opinions here... //www.city-data.com/forum/city-...-its-city.html
I don't think it's a race thing, Remember R&B, Rock n roll, blues and etc started in the South. And The South is only place that have significant black rural population. And there a lot similarity between Soul food and general Southern country cooking and etc.I sorta mention this another thread but some styles of R&B like Soul/Neo Soul parallel with Country, different vocal style and aesthetic, but representing something similar because they both have roots in Southern folk culture.
But what I'm saying you look at TN with Knoxville, and NC with asheville nc. it highlight the lack of investment and how much potential other area of Georgia have.
I don't think it's a race thing, Remember R&B, Rock n roll, blues and etc started in the South. And The South is only place that have significant black rural population. And there a lot similarity between Soul food and general Southern country cooking and etc.I sorta mention this another thread but some styles of R&B like Soul/Neo Soul parallel with Country, different vocal style and aesthetic, but representing something similar because they both have roots in Southern folk culture.
But what I'm saying you look at TN with Knoxville, and NC with asheville nc. it highlight the lack of investment and how much potential other area of Georgia have.
I get your point on some, but I still have to sway the direction of Race on this one, as the main reason when it comes to Atlanta distancing it's self from rural GA, that's just my opinion though... The main reason the South has a significant black population in rural areas is Slavery and the Slave trade. Most of these blacks just remained there, it wasn't by choice until they became complacent and remained there. Most transplants of Today aren't going to move to the rural south but to a Booming Metro in the South. 2 & 3rd tier's in these Southern states tend to get attention as well if they have things to offer that are attractive or are close to a Military base....
It's funny that you mentioned this, and actually I mentioned this or was mentioned on a previous Tread between Atlanta, Dallas and Nashville as far as which one plays on it's City/Country Flavor the most...I don't think it necessary a bad thing either way, and when it comes to the Cities Significance, I don't think it really means much. I think for Georgia, Atlanta does it's hardest to distance it's self from it's Country Roots out of all 3 though, just for the mere fact it's in Georgia and a lot of the southern heritage has been racially based here being the heart of Dixie, where in Dallas or even Nashville it has been more embraced and not so racially based, especially with the elements used in the two places IMO.. I see White's and Blacks alike in Texas and Tennessee taking on the Country style in some ways. The Negative side of the Country/Southern culture seems not to be a factor in those places and they don't shy or run away from it but capitalize on it adding that Urban flavor in the mix.. Atlanta on the other hand seems to be more a shamed of it so to speak in most ways and it put's the city in a odd position of sometime trying to push to be something that it's not. That's just my opinion. I think I love Atlanta the most when it's Mixes it's City but country southern Flavor than trying to ignore it's in the South. Just my opinions here... //www.city-data.com/forum/city-...-its-city.html
I have to somewhat disagree with this. It's not that Atlanta has tried hardest to distance itself from its country roots, but it's that Atlanta has historically had more big city ambitions, primarily for economic reasons. After the city was burned to the ground during the Civil War, many of the commercial buildings that were constructed took their architectural cues from Northern cities. This pretty much goes hand in hand with the fact that the city's focus quickly turned to commerce and industry after the Civil War with the "New South" ideal as, unlike most other Southern cities at that time, Atlanta was never strongly tied to the "peculiar institution" and the city itself was founded as an economic venture to link Midwestern markets with Southern ones. As a matter of fact, Georgia Tech was founded to serve as a catalyst in the shift from a more agrarian-based economy to an industrial-based one. Then you had certain things like the Cotton States Exposition and the Forward Atlanta campaigns that actively recruited outside companies to the city which are additional examples of a progressive economic attitude. Combine that with Delta's relocation to Atlanta, the transformation of the airport, and the progressive stance the city adopted during the Civil Rights Movement (in contrast to the rural South and some Southern cities in particular), and you begin to see a dominant narrative emerge. In short, there were no practical (read: economic) reasons for Atlanta to openly embrace all things rural.
I have to somewhat disagree with this. It's not that Atlanta has tried hardest to distance itself from its country roots, but it's that Atlanta has historically had more big city ambitions, primarily for economic reasons. After the city was burned to the ground during the Civil War, many of the commercial buildings that were constructed took their architectural cues from Northern cities. This pretty much goes hand in hand with the fact that the city's focus quickly turned to commerce and industry after the Civil War with the "New South" ideal as, unlike most other Southern cities at that time, Atlanta was never strongly tied to the "peculiar institution" and the city itself was founded as an economic venture to link Midwestern markets with Southern ones. As a matter of fact, Georgia Tech was founded to serve as a catalyst in the shift from a more agrarian-based economy to an industrial-based one. Then you had certain things like the Cotton States Exposition and the Forward Atlanta campaigns that actively recruited outside companies to the city which are additional examples of a progressive economic attitude. Combine that with Delta's relocation to Atlanta, the transformation of the airport, and the progressive stance the city adopted during the Civil Rights Movement (in contrast to the rural South and some Southern cities in particular), and you begin to see a dominant narrative emerge. In short, there were no practical (read: economic) reasons for Atlanta to openly embrace all things rural.
I can Agree with some of this as well, but also Agree to disagree, because I can't say Dallas or Nashville embraces all things rural/country as well, but they do market the parts they decide to play on very well and it's embrace by may races not to mention Urban City Flavor all mixed right in, giving it a much more diverse feeling.. Atlanta being as progressive as it has been after Civil war still had and has had far more than it's share of racism just like many southern cities, so its not exempt because it builds an office tower but I under stand your points... Metro Atlanta does have the issue though of being in Georgia and no matter how you look at it, it's still in the heart of Dixie South and has to deal with those Red state politics/laws big time, it's just a fact of matter. The city limits of Atlanta is only so big and even the mayor of Atlanta only has so much say so...To be fair Dallas and Nashville has some of this to deal with as well even though these cities are pretty liberal but states are pretty conservative as well..
I get your point on some, but I still have to sway the direction of Race on this one, as the main reason when it comes to Atlanta distancing it's self from rural GA, that's just my opinion though... The main reason the South has a significant black population in rural areas is Slavery and the Slave trade. Most of these blacks just remained there, it wasn't by choice until they became complacent and remained there. Most transplants of Today aren't going to move to the rural south but to a Booming Metro in the South. 2 & 3rd tier's in these Southern states tend to get attention as well if they have things to offer that are attractive or are close to a Military base....
I know My family actually have land in Mississippi after slavery Some blacks move up up north, some move into small towns or to southern cities, Some became sharecroppers some bought the land our ancestors where slaves own.
Soul food was originally the parts of the animals the slave holders and etc would not eat, but blacks American turn lesson into lemonade basically turn into it a cuisine. like wise After slavery blacks formed communities and created a a sense of home, we do not look to south at just being victim of the south but rather we also create communities and bulit the of the culture. my point there is a black country'ness as well. As I mention the blues, Rock n roll, and R&B, was created in the South they are the soundtrack of the rual south to us, a lot of artists actually came from the second tiers cities and small towns, Ray Charles is from Albany, James brown is from Augusta, Little Richard is from Macon, gladys knight is from right outside of Macon, Otis redding is from Dawson.
The US in general is growing more urban, white transplants are not moving to rual south either that wasn't point. My point was the state can do a lot to increase the attention to Secondary cities in Georgia why can't there be something like Dollywood in North Georgia mountains? Why can't Augusta or Columbus become a tech center like Huntsville AL. Why aren't GA attracting retires to the Georgia cost like SC and FL. While outside of Metro Atlanta would never be the size of Atlanta there still a lot of potential for them. I think like Metro Atlanta and the state needs step it's marketing game up to gain investment, growth, and tourism to other parts of the state. I Think doing this would also would help metro Atlanta politically that Metro Atlanta and other areas are on the same team of Georgia.
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