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Old 03-02-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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the question is this....

Can the federal government punish a state for upholding a federal law that the federal government itself created, but chooses not to enforce.....at the detriment of that states population?
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Old 03-02-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Arizona The new Confederate States of America. Or should I say the new Confederate State of America.

The way it looks, Arizona, Wyoming and and other states may comprise this new Confederacy. It'll be nonviolent this time, and pro-gun Blacks are invited
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Old 03-02-2013, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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The way it looks, Arizona, Wyoming and and other states may comprise this new Confederacy. It'll be nonviolent this time, and pro-gun Blacks are invited
Guns, what an odd thing to base one's politics on. It's like basing your politics on hammers or sawzalls. Pliers.
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Old 03-02-2013, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Florida/Oberbayern
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Why not? Why not read up and consider (that means 'think about' ) the powers of the Federal government?
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Why not? Why not read up and consider (that means 'think about' ) the powers of the Federal government?
Interesting. The Constitution grants powers to the people that the Articles of Confedration reserved to the states; thus since the broadening of Federal powers are the will of the people as expressed by the election of those who broadened those powers, they are in that sense constitutional.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I can understand why major metropolitan areas like Chicago, New York City, Boston, etc. would want to enact stricter guns laws, given their concentrated and diverse populations. However the average Idaho farmer or Arizona truck driver lives in a different environment. To him/her, Chicago might as well be on Mars.

Columnist Fred Reed called it right. The two have different and irreconcilable views of life and (figurably if not literally) live in two different countries.
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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I can understand why major metropolitan areas like Chicago, New York City, Boston, etc. would want to enact stricter guns laws, given their concentrated and diverse populations. However the average Idaho farmer or Arizona truck driver lives in a different environment. To him/her, Chicago might as well be on Mars.

Columnist Fred Reed called it right. The two have different and irreconcilable views of life and (figurably if not literally) live in two different countries.
I don't think a person needs a 30 round self-loading rifle in either Arizona or Chicago. Maybe Mars. But if people out in Arizona want to play with such toys that's their affair.

I think lots of people out west just put on a different pose than those in eastern cities and pretend to be far more independent and self sufficient than they really are. People in Chicago may pretend they're in a Jimmy Cagney movie and those in Arizona may pretend they're in a John Wayne movie but both poses are equally nonsensical. We're all tied into the same economic and social system.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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Louisiana has introduced a similar bill into legislation. It's an act of treason.

I'm saying this with my .40 under my mattress and a rifle leaning on the wall.
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:16 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Louisiana has introduced a similar bill into legislation. It's an act of treason.

I'm saying this with my .40 under my mattress and a rifle leaning on the wall.
Treason is the only crime listed in the Constitution. It dictates exactly what Treason is to mean and how it's treated.

If you're interested, think about why it's there.

Here's a link to the text
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A3Sec3.html
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Maine
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It all depends on the will of the federal government to enforce the federal law no matter what the state law may be. Just think about what happened in Arizona regarding school desegration. Arizona asid, "No way" the government of the USA said you have no choice to obey this law and we will see that you do. In the end they sent in the army to enforce the "Federal" law. The only thing a State can do is challenge the law through the courts. This is often done and the SCOTUS makes the final decision.
I don't think sending in the army would be a good idea this time around, it would most likely be the linchpin that starts the 2nd civil war.


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