Abortion Restrictions! Yes!!! (legal, carry, education, governor)

[AnywhereElse]

I am a woman and I would never have had a desire to have a child of mine destroyed. I did the opposite. Motherhood begins at conception. They find so much fault with a young girl that kills her baby just after birth and that is such a joke. Those supporting abortion have taught her that the life of her baby is hers to decide what to do with yet these few minutes between in the womb and out are considered so crucial. Who are you kidding? Abortion stops a beating heart. This is great that Kansas is moving forward to end this inhumane procedure. Again, abortion stops a beating heart and you can call it by any name you want but it won't change what is being done and the end result is death of the child and of the spirit of the woman. I think other states will be following this.

[AnywhereElse]

Originally Posted by TinaMcG

Count yourself lucky youi're in NH, a. I have to live here.

Great post.

Tina: Are you a minor? Are your parents living here and you have no choice but to stay with them until you are 18? You say you "have to live here", are you incarcerated or is someone holding you against your will? Inasmuch as you can sanction the death of your child if you choose, you can also move to another state or country. You know that right? I am not sure what your limits are but you seem very unhappy in KS. Life is short, especially for those that don't believe in an afterlife so do what you can to be happy while you have a chance.

[TinaMcG]

Originally Posted by AnywhereElse

You are aware that in KS, Wichita, that is where they were doing the late term abortions where they pulled the babies into the birth canal and cut their spinal cords?

No, that is in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania. Maybe you're confusing Kansas and Pennsylvania because they both have cities named Pittsburg/Pittsburgh.

In any case, that doctor on trial broke existing law. He's a criminal and has been soundly denounced by NARAL and Planned Parenthood. New restrictions wouldn't have stopped him, but all these new laws will certainly give rise to more like him. Do you even remember how many women died before Roe v. Wade?

[karen_in_nh_2012]

Originally Posted by AnywhereElse

I am a woman and I would never have had a desire to have a child of mine destroyed. I did the opposite. Motherhood begins at conception. They find so much fault with a young girl that kills her baby just after birth and that is such a joke. Those supporting abortion have taught her that the life of her baby is hers to decide what to do with yet these few minutes between in the womb and out are considered so crucial. Who are you kidding? Abortion stops a beating heart. This is great that Kansas is moving forward to end this inhumane procedure. Again, abortion stops a beating heart and you can call it by any name you want but it won't change what is being done and the end result is death of the child and of the spirit of the woman. I think other states will be following this.

You can be as self-righteous as you want. Some of us would like to vastly reduce the NEED for abortion by doing things that actually WORK. Are you in favor of health care covering all forms of birth control so that people could actually make informed choices (what an idea!) about their own bodies? Are you in favor of comprehensive sex ed. in schools (as opposed to abstinence-only "sex ed.," which isn't sex ed. at all and has been shown NOT to work)? I would love to live in a world where there was no need for abortion because birth control was available and affordable AND sex ed. in schools was actually done in a way that WORKS to reduce teen pregnancy.

But beyond that, to call a few cells a "child" is absolutely ludicrous, and to say that abortion kills "the spirit of a woman" is ridiculous. And BTW, I have never had an abortion and would not choose one for myself, but I keep my hands off OTHER WOMEN'S bodies.

[SPonteKC]

Originally Posted by karen_in_nh_2012

If MEN could get pregnant, you'd better believe they would have free birth control for everyone AND they would allow abortion on demand regardless of reason.

Just so you know, there is effectively no difference in men's and women's veiws of abortion rights, and there never has been in the post-roe era.

The idea that men are the demographic responsible for the anti-choice movement is just not accurate, nor is the rhetorical "if men could get pregnant, abortion would be..."

The actual dividing lines between pro-choice and anti-abortion are largely based on education level:

Gallup's abortion polling since the mid-1970s finds few remarkable distinctions between men's and women's views on the legality of abortion.
Overall, women are a bit more likely than men to hold one of the more absolute views on abortion: that it should be either legal under any circumstances or illegal in all circumstances. However, majorities of both genders take the middle "legal only under certain circumstances" position.
Within various age and partisan categories, men and women are mostly similar in their views.

Education Trumps Gender in Predicting Support for Abortion


Men and women hold similar views on the legality of abortion | Public Agenda

[karen_in_nh_2012]

Originally Posted by s.davis

Just so you know, there is effectively no difference in men's and women's veiws of abortion rights, and there never has been in the post-roe era.

The idea that men are the demographic responsible for the anti-choice movement is just not accurate, nor is the rhetorical "if men could get pregnant, abortion would be..."

The actual dividing lines between pro-choice and anti-abortion are largely based on education level:



Education Trumps Gender in Predicting Support for Abortion


Men and women hold similar views on the legality of abortion | Public Agenda

It was a rhetorical point (although I do believe it would be true -- we will never know of course). And I already know the research, but thanks.

I am most appalled at legislators who have the IQ of a brillo pad.

[annerk]

The pro-lifers need to open their doors and wallets to nurture and support all of the children born of unwanted pregnancies. Instead they are dominantly Republicans who would prefer to cut off all entitlement benefits. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Unfortunately the real world doesn't operate like their fantasies do.

[j_k_k]

Originally Posted by AnywhereElse

I am a woman and I would never have had a desire to have a child of mine destroyed. I did the opposite. Motherhood begins at conception.

You either do not believe that, or you do not believe your own philosophy. A vast number of zygotes (babies, by your definition) die long before they grow into fetuses. I will bet that you do not one thing toward saving all those dying babies, which are a baby holocaust compared to abortion. Why? Because it would show how ridiculous the anti-abortion argument is. Another: you have not considered that where abortion is legal, it actually goes down. Where it is illegal, it goes up. It works kind of like other things we tried to ban outright (alcohol, weed, etc.) that way.

So, in reality, it has nothing to do with saving every conceived baby. This is really about just sitting on the women, making sure they are encumbered, blamed, sluttified for having sex, and as unable to object to your social agenda (which evidently is self-hating) as possible. Because history shows that when women open their mouths politically, they a) refuse to shut up when the men start talking, and b) tend to agitate for social justice rather than corporate profits. And since corporate profits are what manipulate you, your religion, your viewpoints and your whole outlook, exploiting your basically well-intentioned sense of virtue so they can get wealthier, make you poorer and use you as the agent of all that, that social force fears and hates nothing so much as it hates outspoken women.

Except, of course, for those willing to serve as its duped hatchetpeople, those to whom it may appeal playing the baby protection card, those who see only one warped dimension of the issue--the one they were ordered to see and repeat.

Back when I was a kid, the Soviet Union really, really liked college protesters in the United States. They gave it tons of propaganda, and in return it gave them plenty of open fraternal socialist support. In public. In private, where its foreign intelligence agents were manipulating them to destabilize us as much as possible, those agents called the activists 'useful idiots.'

I think we should always consider who is manipulating us, and why they are gaining, and whether they plan to share it with us or not.

[denverian]

Originally Posted by AnywhereElse

I am a woman and I would never have had a desire to have a child of mine destroyed. I did the opposite. Motherhood begins at conception. They find so much fault with a young girl that kills her baby just after birth and that is such a joke. Those supporting abortion have taught her that the life of her baby is hers to decide what to do with yet these few minutes between in the womb and out are considered so crucial. Who are you kidding? Abortion stops a beating heart. This is great that Kansas is moving forward to end this inhumane procedure. Again, abortion stops a beating heart and you can call it by any name you want but it won't change what is being done and the end result is death of the child and of the spirit of the woman. I think other states will be following this.

If life begins at conception, then who is responsible for all the fertilized eggs that don't implant and grow into a human? WHO! The woman? God? It's a scientific fact that many eggs are fertilized, yet never implant. Women don't even know they had a fertilized egg inside them.

[denverian]

Originally Posted by karen_in_nh_2012

You can be as self-righteous as you want. Some of us would like to vastly reduce the NEED for abortion by doing things that actually WORK. Are you in favor of health care covering all forms of birth control so that people could actually make informed choices (what an idea!) about their own bodies? Are you in favor of comprehensive sex ed. in schools (as opposed to abstinence-only "sex ed.," which isn't sex ed. at all and has been shown NOT to work)? I would love to live in a world where there was no need for abortion because birth control was available and affordable AND sex ed. in schools was actually done in a way that WORKS to reduce teen pregnancy.

But beyond that, to call a few cells a "child" is absolutely ludicrous, and to say that abortion kills "the spirit of a woman" is ridiculous. And BTW, I have never had an abortion and would not choose one for myself, but I keep my hands off OTHER WOMEN'S bodies.

I grew up in Kansas (escaped at age 18 lol!) and most of my family back there is very fundamentalist and anti-sex education, abortion, birth control. My own mother tried to argue with me when I told her I plan to teach my own children about contraception at the appropriate age. She says it means I'm telling my kids it's ok to just go out and start having sex. I pointed out several of my cousins who were raised in extreme Christian fundamentalism and never taught sex education or about contraception and how they all became teen mothers You just can't argue with stupid!