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Sex 1. Two sober people who both consent to sex Rape 2. Two sober people where one doesn't consent to sex Sex 3. A drunk person initiates sex with a sober person Maybe 4. A sober person initiates sex with a drunk person Maybe 5. Two drunk people have sex Rape 6. A drunk person initiates sex with a passed-out drunk Rape 7. A sober person initiates sex with a passed-out drunk
Numbers 4 and 5 were maybe's since it really depends on the people involved.
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Originally Posted by Pinkmani
Good point! I guess the answer is to bring back prohibition!
Please say you're joking.
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Originally Posted by Caltovegas
Why are people acting like women are the victims? In my bar experience I have seem women get drunk and attack guys. I've experienced it first hand. Women just like men have desires and on occasions they will act on them. Now of course there are limitations but people are adults.
I've seen sober women hit on drunk guys so it goes both ways.
I too have seen it first hand, women wo have a few drinks in the m then go to a male review (Chippendale's), are BRUTAL to the guys. I have seen them walking into the back bleeding from scratches and bites from the drunk women!
It won't always get you the top of the spectrum and it can be a difficult court case - but it clearly happens and it is clearly against the law in many states
If someone is intoxicated many states rule they can't give consent and it will put you on the spectrum - assault, sexual deviance, sexual abuse, etc
You are conflating intoxication with incapacity. They are not synonymous. While the statute acknowledges that alcohol can cause incapacity, it does not list "intoxication" as a cause of incapacity. That is not an accidental omission.
I'll cut to the chase: There isn't a single state in the union wherein intoxication alone is equivalent to incapacity, only that intoxication can cause incapacity -- that is, being so intoxicated that you literally cannot move or speak or otherwise signify consent or the ability to understand what is happening around you. But as long as you still have the capacity to act and respond to others' actions, you still have the capacity to give or withdraw consent. The law and the courts are not going to take pity on you just because you deliberately ingested some substance that lowers inhibitions and you acted accordingly. The threshold for incapacity is much higher than that.
1. Two sober people who both consent to sex- Yes, if two consenting sober adults wish to have sex, then go for it.
2. Two sober people where one doesn't consent to sex- If one does not want to have sex, then there should be no sex because it is not consensual.
3. A drunk person initiates sex with a sober person- This one is a little tough. I only think this couple should have sex if they are already a couple or know each other well. Even though the drunk person initiates the sexual situation, they are also not in a clear state of mind to be making many decisions.
4. A sober person initiates sex with a drunk person- Definitely no, this put the drunk person in a very vulnerable position.
5. Two drunk people have sex- Sure, if they both want to have sex and with each other, why not?
6. A drunk person initiates sex with a passed-out drunk No way. That is rape. The passed-out person doesn't even have a choice in the matter.
7. A sober person initiates sex with a passed-out drunk- Again, no way. The sober person is using the drug persons condition (being drunk) to their own advantage. Again, this would be rape.
Is it "OK" to have sex with a drunk woman? If she consents, prior to and after becoming drunk, and you did not use force, it is certainly not "illegal". If she is drunk, then she may have lost the capacity to consent and the burden is on you to show that you did not use force to obtain what you wanted, or consent was implied by her past behavior/history.
Is it "OK"? I think that's for you to say.
It's certainly not unusual for both men and women to use alcohol to lower their inhibitions, so that getting to the sex part (that both people wanted to have, anyway) is less difficult emotionally.
Is that OK?
I never stopped a woman from drinking for that very reason and no one ever complained. However, I did hear some pretty insincere "I'm really not that kind of a girl" words from girls. These words, not the getting drunk to have sex, were always disqualifiers as I happen to be attracted to "that kind of girl"...the ones who enjoy sex a lot.
Police now advertise that buzzed driving IS drunk driving.
So, I put this inevitable question along with the OP's question. Is buzzed sex the same as drunk sex and how do you identify/draw the line?
"Buzzed" may simply be a matter od semantics, however, I would imagine that a standardized field sobriety test (in the case of "buzzed" driving) and a host of chemical tests would certainly clear up or confirm one way or the other if the driver is "legally" drunk per his blood alcohol level (blood, breath, and/or urine test).
With all due respect, sincerely...
Pertaining to the question of "buzzed" sex the same as drunk sex...unequivocally, YES, imho, it is!
To answer the OP, if a girl, woman, chic OR boy, man, or guy are/was drunk IT IS NOT OKAY TO HAVE SEX WITH HER/HIM.
This is my opinion and my point of view which is what the original OP was about. All of the opinions and views of the posters here at cd are what is sought, without malice.
I would avoid it, just because there is a possibility of trouble.
From my point of view, women are the most sensitive and genetically complicated species on this planet. Guys never know how a woman's thought process works, but women can read a guys mind in seconds and confirm he is sex thirsty cheap trash who deserves no love. Be very careful about getting laid guys. Think deeply and intensively till you get brain sweats about whether she is trying to act deceptive and lure you into a heap of trouble and misery. ALWAYS REMEMBER, Women bank upon a mans stupidity to deceive him.
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