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Old 03-20-2014, 07:41 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Some people enjoy freedom, and thus they don't like the government to pretend it is their parent. They want to drink alcohol, ride roller coasters, smoke cigarettes and other things that have no societal value, but exist purely for their recreational value.

I can tell you're not one of those people. You view the government like a good father, telling you to wear your seat belt, sit up straight and don't chew with your mouth open.

Marijuana is certainly less dangerous than alcohol and cigarettes - Or swimming pools and bathtubs, since so many people drown in those each year when simply taking a shower and avoiding the pool would have saved their lives.

But the biggest issue is that making marijuana illegal causes more harm and violence than making it legal.

Have you ever noticed that liqueur store owners never get in shootouts over turf? Or that they never have to kill the Jack Daniel's representative when he fails to deliver as promised? They don't do that because they don't have to do that. They have enforceable contracts - which people that sell drugs don't have. By legalizing drugs you reduce the violence and associated gang influence that goes along with it when it's illegal.

Simply brilliant. Especially that last paragraph.

 
Old 03-20-2014, 07:47 PM
 
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Using marijuana doesn't kill people? Really?

Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle

DrugFacts: Drugged Driving | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

Marijuana Use Increases Risk of Traffic Crashes and Deaths

So much for that myth.
 
Old 03-20-2014, 07:48 PM
 
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If legalizing something eliminates problems, why not make everything legal?

Could it be the unintended consequences?

Nah.
 
Old 03-20-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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This country is going to pot and one of the clear reasons is the high rate of pot users. Its use has increased a lot since the 1960's and the problems in this country have increased proportionally with its use. Most pot smokers are very insecure, short sighted and dysfunctional people in general. The hippie movement in the late 1960's greatly contributed to the increase of marijuana use in this country. There is no doubt that the liberal hippie movement(mostly "baby boomers") has contributed to the decline of America as a whole.

Many pot smokers start out smoking weed in high school and then later go on to use harder drugs, many becoming addicts. Weed was a gateway drug for them.

Pot smokers love to make excuses for their habit which costs them large sums of money. They may be self medicating themselves because of other psychological problem( many caused by the dysfunction of feminism and liberalism).

Their addiction causes them blame the "drug war" and other liberal propaganda. They think everything is "cool" when they get high because they are scared of real responsibility and reality. Pot gives them a false sense of hope and security but they are unable to see that pot is one of the reasons this country has become so dysfunctional. Is this how life is supposed to be? Pot is a perfect liberal propaganda tool.

In short most chronic pot users are no better than heroin, crack,or meth users . Most of these harder drug users started out smoking pot, it is a gateway drug for the weak.

There are some responsible pot users but most of them started using it later in life when they had matured more than a high schooler. Look at the low test scores we have and you can see that pot use has not helped anything of merit.

Stop defending this plant like it is a harmless substance and face the facts and truth in a responsible way.

I don't smoke pot and probably never will. You're anti-liberal and big government, but want government to prevent the spread of pot smoking?

You were for big government before you were against it?? I'm confused.
 
Old 03-20-2014, 08:31 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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Government doesn't really care if pot is legal or not. The key for them is controlling its' distribution. They want the good-ole boys in Harvard business suits to control the supply and manipulate demand. If Jose or DeAndre are running the show, government won't support it. Why? Because they can't tax it. Jose and DeAndre can become millionaires under the table and the IRS would never see a dime.

You'll see lots of consolidation and protectionist policies to "encourage" a handful of large multinational corporations to own the industry. These same companies will be run by people that have never dealt drugs on the street in their lives. However, they'll pay a fair share in taxes....or pay no tax, but have plenty of lobbyists and individuals donating to campaigns.
 
Old 03-20-2014, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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Using marijuana doesn't kill people? Really?

>>>>Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled<<<<
Furthermore, in 99.44% of those crashes the pot smokers were rear-ended.


Personally, I question the results. "'Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,' (according to) Dr. Guohua Li...."

This suggests to me that 1 in 9 drivers used pot sometime in the previous month, because thc can be detected in one's body for a month after using it (or much longer, depending on the test). Alcohol in the blood means it's affecting you as long as it's there; that's not true with pot.

Also "would test positive"? It sounds like they weren't even tested. I smell a Dr. Li doing a study with the results formulated before the study began.
 
Old 03-20-2014, 09:19 PM
 
Location: OKC
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If legalizing something eliminates problems, why not make everything legal?

Could it be the unintended consequences?

Nah.
We can either run the marijuana industry like the alcohol industry or the crack cocaine industry.

Which model do you think is the most beneficial to society?

The one that is controlled by the gangs or the one controlled by the corporation?
The one that settles disputes with guns or the one that uses courts?
The one that controls product contamination by cooking the product in a dirty spoon or the one that is regularly inspected by the government?
The one that is taxed by larger cartels or the ones that put the taxes in the government coffers.

Alcohol and Marijuana are both going to exist. We have proven that. You can't "police state" your way around that fact.

So the only question is which is the least harmful way to have them around.
 
Old 03-20-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Government doesn't really care if pot is legal or not. The key for them is controlling its' distribution. They want the good-ole boys in Harvard business suits to control the supply and manipulate demand. If Jose or DeAndre are running the show, government won't support it. Why? Because they can't tax it. Jose and DeAndre can become millionaires under the table and the IRS would never see a dime.

You'll see lots of consolidation and protectionist policies to "encourage" a handful of large multinational corporations to own the industry. These same companies will be run by people that have never dealt drugs on the street in their lives. However, they'll pay a fair share in taxes....or pay no tax, but have plenty of lobbyists and individuals donating to campaigns.
My tin foil hat tells me the alcohol industry keeps marijuana illegal.
 
Old 03-20-2014, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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If you self medicate with pot and you think it like "really cool man" to smoke up some dope every day, you gotta problem. They have rehab places you can go to. Meds may help you.
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If you self medicate with pot and you think it like "really cool man" to smoke up some dope every day, you gotta problem. They have rehab places you can go to. Meds may help you.
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Meds may help you.
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Originally Posted by Know Nonsense View Post
Meds may help you.
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Originally Posted by Know Nonsense View Post
Meds may help you.
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Meds may help you.
Just... wow...
 
Old 03-20-2014, 10:47 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the Kona coffee fields
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When I was young, the shît was weak and its anti-establishment message strong.

When I was a grown man, the shît was strong and its anti-establishment message gone.

Now that I am old, the shît knocks you out, is politically correct, supposed to be medicine, and fixes the economy.

Yet its name describes it best.
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