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I'm just curious, for those who DON'T support gay marriage, what is your reason for being against it? I would like to go ahead and add three stipulations first so we can try and insure that there's a chance for logical debate.
We shall assume that you:
1. Don't use religion as an excuse, as America allows you to practice whatever religion you wish, or lack there of.
2. Are a happily heterosexual male/female with no desire for the same sex.
3. You are happily married yourself.
I see American society springily out of control. With so many different cultures & values, there is no unity. Because I'm moving to Europe in the next few years, I shouldn't care but America spreads it's rotting culture around the World so you can't just ignore it. The USA is the Globe's capital for decadence. I'd like to see a line drawn at homosexual marriage before every barrier and thus value begins falling with it. First it's the elimination of sexual preference, next is gender equality and then finally is species. When people start marrying their Pets.
I see American society springily out of control. With so many different cultures & values, there is no unity. Because I'm moving to Europe in the next few years, I shouldn't care but America spreads it's rotting culture around the World so you can't just ignore it. The USA is the Globe's capital for decadence. I'd like to see a line drawn at homosexual marriage before every barrier and thus value begins falling with it. First it's the elimination of sexual preference, next is gender equality and then finally is species. When people start marrying their Pets.
Or a set of encyclopedias or a telephone pole. I know a guy in Arkansas who wants to marry his Chia pet. Here in Oklahoma they already are trying to pass a law where if same-sex marriage becomes legal they can't mix the races.
Or a set of encyclopedias or a telephone pole. I know a guy in Arkansas who wants to marry his Chia pet. Here in Oklahoma they already are trying to pass a law where if same-sex marriage becomes legal they can't mix the races.
Interracial heterosexual relationships just became legal about fifty years ago so that's no surprise.
I'm just curious, for those who DON'T support gay marriage, what is your reason for being against it? I would like to go ahead and add three stipulations first so we can try and insure that there's a chance for logical debate.
We shall assume that you:
1. Don't use religion as an excuse, as America allows you to practice whatever religion you wish, or lack there of.
2. Are a happily heterosexual male/female with no desire for the same sex.
3. You are happily married yourself.
Because "marriage" is an ancient term used to define the union of two people of different sexes who become culturally and legally joined with the primary purpose of procreation.
By definition, two people of the same sex do not qualify, period. Moreover, they cannot procreate, period.
I'm just curious, for those who DON'T support gay marriage, what is your reason for being against it? I would like to go ahead and add three stipulations first so we can try and insure that there's a chance for logical debate.
We shall assume that you:
1. Don't use religion as an excuse, as America allows you to practice whatever religion you wish, or lack there of.
2. Are a happily heterosexual male/female with no desire for the same sex.
3. You are happily married yourself.
That's very odd that you don't allow people to disagree with homosexuality on religious grounds for some reason. I mean, I guess you need to tell that to all of the millions of Muslims that you decreed that they can't believe what they do. Go ahead.
So, clearly your thread is not actually intended to gather information. It's one of those poorly disguised "I'm liberal and I'm going to prove that nobody can oppose homosexuality unless they're craaaazy religious types. Me so clever."
Here's why people are against gay marriage:
a) Homosexuality isn't normal.
b) Marriage is a heterosexual institution.
c) Nobody buys your side's argument that we can redefine homosexuality as normal and everything else that was not normal stays "not normal." Proof: trans-sexuals are now normal, too.
*if you allow for gay marriage it will open the floodgates for other alternative marriages (i.e. polygamist etc.)
The reason you heard that argument is because it's true. And, by the way, in fact there is now a movement to make polygamist or "polyamory" marriages legal. After all, "consenting adults" and all that. They also have supporters in the LGBT movement, since those guys can hardly tell polygamists that they can't get married. It would look way too hypocritical.
So? Why is it a problem when you don't get to control the gender of the consenting adult that a given person marries? Rhetorical question - it's not a problem when you don't get that control.
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With so many different cultures & values, there is no unity. Because I'm moving to Europe in the next few years, I shouldn't care but America spreads it's rotting culture around the World so you can't just ignore it.
You're mistaking your reverence for a monolithic societal outlook, where that outlook is of course the same as yours, with such a state of affairs being a good thing. You further confuse change for degradation, typified by your portrayal of it as 'rotting'. Your fear of such things is no more accurate than the fear of the 'rot' of emancipation, equal suffrage, desegregation, and so forth from past decades and centuries. Lamentably, you are unable to learn from this history.
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The USA is the Globe's capital for decadence. I'd like to see a line drawn at homosexual marriage before every barrier and thus value begins falling with it. First it's the elimination of sexual preference, next is gender equality and then finally is species. When people start marrying their Pets.
Expanding the liberty of consenting adults to marry consenting adults is no more going to lead to pets voting than was expanding the liberty of who is allowed to vote ever going to lead to Socks and Rover voting. Frankly, the argument that any expansion of Constitutional rights is going to lead to changing the interpretation of the word 'persons' to include non-humans such as pets could not be more nonsensical and baseless, and does nothing but underscore how lacking are the contrived justifications for anti-gay animus.
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