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Old 06-07-2014, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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During one of the frequent debates over firearms laws in this country, several Law Enforcement officials (mainly local sheriffs, IIRC) went on record to say that they would simply refuse to enforce any gun restrictions that, in their view, were unconstitutional. I believe that these were from mainly rural areas or in states in the Midwest, South, and West.

So, should they be praised or condemned for their actions?
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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They do have to defend the Constitution. But first, they'd have to prove that the restrictions were going against the Constitution before deciding that they're not going to follow it.

If they turn out to be right, they should be praised.

But who's gonna wait for those results to see whether or not someone's right?
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Old 06-07-2014, 06:34 PM
 
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During one of the frequent debates over firearms laws in this country, several Law Enforcement officials (mainly local sheriffs, IIRC) went on record to say that they would simply refuse to enforce any gun restrictions that, in their view, were unconstitutional. I believe that these were from mainly rural areas or in states in the Midwest, South, and West.

So, should they be praised or condemned for their actions?
Not enforcing a law takes place all across America everyday.

Juries have the power to nullify laws via their verdicts. Attorney Generals have refused to enforce our immigration laws, as is clearly evidence by the 11 to 12 million illegal immigrants who live in America. And Obama just ignored a law he signed last year that required the Executive branch to notify Congress of an intended prisoner swap.

But to answer your question, the only one I would not condemn are jurors when they exercise their power to nullify a law that they almost assuredly believe to be bad law.
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Old 06-08-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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In NY, a very firearms restrictive state, i have now heard cops saying they wont enforce firearms laws unless its a clear danger.

Keep making the laws, cops will not enforce all of them. But the politicos have to play up to the Mommies
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Old 06-08-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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These are the same bozos who have no problem with the NSA urinating all over the Fourth Amendment, or with ignoring all the vicious hetero-on-gay crime that occurs in many small towns. Trust me, I know about these incidents from family members who live in South Carolina and Georgia and it's despicable.

Most of these sheriffs probably think the U.S. Constitution should be supplanted by the Holy Bible --- that lovely book that preaches the virtue of owning black slaves and stoning slutty women to death for disobeying their husbands.

The way I see it --- any sheriff who willfully ignores a state gun law will probably get what's comin' to him --- being shot dead in the line of duty by some punk who obtained an assault rifle because of loopholes and lax restrictions. You reap what you sow.

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Old 06-08-2014, 08:54 PM
 
Location: NW Indiana
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It is not acceptable for local police to decide what to enforce and what not to. We have a legal system in the country. If a local sheriff does not like a law, let them challenge it in court.
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Old 06-08-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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It is not acceptable for local police to decide what to enforce and what not to. We have a legal system in the country. If a local sheriff does not like a law, let them challenge it in court.
However, it apparently is acceptable for presidents and attorneys general to decide what to enforce and what not to.
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Considering the locales involved, I think most of the local population would give the sheriff their full support.
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Old 06-09-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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As an police officer, your job is to carry out the law as good as you can. Their are many good people who do stupid things ( like take the vet who magical, went to Mexico by taking a wrong turn...... ), and you have to consider who they are. We do not want to make peoples lives worst, and turn them into vengeful driven monsters, who become super extremists, as with the Waco siege ( Getting his revenge for the slaughtering of innocent children and women )

An police officers ( or any kind of officer ) job is to serve the public trust, and interest, not to make people feel less then human, to create another green peace Unabomber.

Look at the job the US military did with the Orient. Or better yet the job the Bush Administration done. They caused an military physicist to turn a gun on his own nation. Why? Oh well the United States of America is the world, and them dealing with X nation looks like genocide, especially for people who come and go from that area of the world. We had a funny conversation in college about " Which target is the USA is going to hit" somebody said Korea ( among other nations ), and this non-Korean guy, was like "Why Korea, man" and he was just freaked out about the idea. The same thing with the issue with the Lebanese, and this other student is freaking out, thinking that it is going to be WW2 all over again, with the camps.

An police officer job, is to carry out the law, and enforce it when needed. Not be like "Oh see that person, we are going to cause them trouble" Yeah their are tons of officers who are not for the right reasons of the law.

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To make things worst, just to make things worst, we got supremacist and dumbfounded people. So it makes it hard for officers to carry out the law, because now we have people who are like "officers should screw everybody over argument". Officers do not want to do that.

Lastly nobody likes being the enemy. Officers have their quota to reach, which is pushed on them via their commanders.
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Old 06-09-2014, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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During one of the frequent debates over firearms laws in this country, several Law Enforcement officials (mainly local sheriffs, IIRC) went on record to say that they would simply refuse to enforce any gun restrictions that, in their view, were unconstitutional. I believe that these were from mainly rural areas or in states in the Midwest, South, and West.

So, should they be praised or condemned for their actions?
This is something that goes on all over the country. Its a sign that we have to many laws.

Congress and the President are supposed to take into account enforcement when they pass laws.

Generally what happens is laws are put on the books and then things are simply accepted by the culture but no one goes back to change the old laws.

I condone this, police can only do so much. Same should be done with many useless federal laws.
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