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If Section 8 ended, a lot of landlords would be in trouble. Eviction courts would be severely overloaded, with very long backlogs. Real estate prices would nosedive. After evicting someone, a landlord would have to clean and repair before getting new tenants. But before new tenants could be signed up, squatters would move in, and the whole eviction process would have to start over. A lot of landlords would just give up, and abandon their properties. Slums would degenerate to being worse than shanty towns. Utilities would be cut off. It would become worse than the worst parts of Mexico and Central America. Public transportation would stop running in those neighborhoods because there would be too much crime and violence. Residents wouldn't be able to afford gasoline or car repairs, so they would be stuck in their slums, which would keep getting worse. Epidemics caused by lack of sanitation would reduce the population of the slums drastically. Medical services would be overloaded to the breaking point, and would be forced to shut down. 50 years later, most of the slums would be bulldozed and replaced by modern city construction. The former inhabitants of the slums would be dead and forgotten.
Therefore, the victims of the chaos would be those who depend on the money, not society in general. The chaos would practically exterminate those who depend on the money. There would be severe disruptions of society in general, but those would be temporary and quickly forgotten.
And this would only be from ending Section 8, without making any changes to any other existing welfare programs.
The moocher class is in chaos now because of welfare, most have no purpose or direction, they refuse to better themselves, have nothing better to do than abuse drugs and alcohol, commit crimes and breed illegitimate children that they don't raise properly.
How do people come to this country with nothing but the clothes on their backs and unable to speak English make it. They don't have an entitlement mentality, they don't come here just to get paid to breathe. There are those who want to send them back to where they came from, I say let them stay.
Maybe welfare benefits should be reduced a dollar a month every month, that would be the best way to get rid of it.
Do you really want to destroy America's farmers and food processors. What about out Petrochemical and drug industries. Or bankers getting money at 0.1% and lending it a 30%. Stopping all welfare would lead to really interesting times.
Old people would start dying immediately as their prescriptions ran out.
40% of children get free or reduced price lunches, and close to 100% of children get free bus rides to school. Cities would be in chaos. People would be late to work, kids would miss school of be unable to concentrate while there. Many of the bus drivers would be out of work (currently the law says the buses must run half empty so that every student could be put on them if they decided to ride the bus. A private company would not do that, and many couldn't afford a ticket - city buses are subsidised)
And all the college students on grants or subsidised loans would be turfed over to full private loans, ensuring a new underclass once they graduate with crushing debt and interest payments.
Eok, you don't think it would occur to any starving person to go looking for food/money elsewhere? If my kids were starving, I'd be breaking into every unattended car or house to grab some cash or food. I don't know if I'd resort to mugging, but if it were life and death lots of normal people would. There would be a lot of construction work in building the fences and security work as drivers and personal guards. Public transport would not be safe.
Would food and medical care still be free in prison? That would be a solution for many people. Currently about 1% of the US is in prison, that number would skyrocket, probably using all the money 'saved' by cutting welfare.
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The moocher class is in chaos now because of welfare, most have no purpose or direction, they refuse to better themselves, have nothing better to do than abuse drugs and alcohol, commit crimes and breed illegitimate children that they don't raise properly.
How do people come to this country with nothing but the clothes on their backs and unable to speak English make it. They don't have an entitlement mentality, they don't come here just to get paid to breathe. There are those who want to send them back to where they came from, I say let them stay.
They are eligible for benefits from the time they arrive. They get 12 months no questions asked, then normal requirements start kicking in.
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In some states and communities throughout the country, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) programs, ORR-funded refugee programs, and community-based refugee service providers are collaborating to most effectively help refugees attain employment and self-sufficiency. As U.S.-citizens-in-waiting, refugees qualify for mainstream federal public benefit programs, including TANF. (Refugees adjust their status to lawful permanent residents within a year of arrival and are eligible for citizenship after five years.)
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Maybe welfare benefits should be reduced a dollar a month every month, that would be the best way to get rid of it.
You can only get welfare for 24 months anyway.
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Welfare has had a huge impact on the decline in crime and violence over the last 20 plus years. It's better that the poor are in homes and fed then out on the streets.
Additionally, as reported below, fully 50% of all American children will spend at least some of their childhood in a household where someone receives food stamps (bolded emphasis is mine):
"Contrary to popular belief, the percentage of the population that directly encounters poverty is exceedingly high. My research indicates that nearly 40 percentof Americans between the ages of 25 and 60 will experience at least one year below the official poverty line during that period ($23,492 for a family of four), and 54 percent will spend a year in poverty or near poverty (below 150 percent of the poverty line).
Even more astounding, if we add in related conditions like welfare use, near-poverty and unemployment, four out of five Americans will encounter one or more of these events."
I read the article and honed in on the correlation between the recession and food stamps. The they say usage goes down after the recession ends and typically lags behind the improvement in the economy.
-- Depending on how you count (what's the starting point and the end of the recession)
from 2009 to 2013 (date of the article) is four years. How much lag time is required
for food stamps usage to drop? We may be at a four-year point now. I'm skeptical
of the lag time 4 years, 5, 10? We don't know.
-- If the recession really didn't end in 2009, this would account for the current high
rate of food stamp receivers.
-- Add the elderly, those who never found work again after a firing or layoff,
and those on disability as their finances shrink and the dollar
doesn't go as far as pre-recession and the food stamp #s also go up
(perhaps to what has been reported).
Absolutely so. Revolutions explode when people are hungry.
This is why it is so important to address a living wage law.
the solution is to get people off of welfare by giving them an incentive to work and take pride in the fact that they can pay their own way.
The entire economy is dependent upon this redistribution of wealth, suddenly stopping these programs would have far reaching and dire consequences upon our entire economy.
Desperation will quickly lead to violence.
Absolutely so. Revolutions explode when people are hungry.
This is why it is so important to address a living wage law.
the solution is to get people off of welfare by giving them an incentive to work and take pride in the fact that they can pay their own way.
The entire economy is dependent upon this redistribution of wealth, suddenly stopping these programs would have far reaching and dire consequences upon our entire economy.
Desperation will quickly lead to violence.
Maleman: What is the difference between a sudden stop and a slow stopping of welfare? The slow reduction of welfare is happening now (as a senior, I feel it and see it). Two people here have said this on this thread. I looked for a non-biased link to find this out but the sites that mention anything about it are obviously biased.
No, hopefully the lazy ones will get up and look for a job. The ones who are keep having kids without considering how they are going to take care of them maybe will take advantage of all the free family planning places/resources...
Maleman: What is the difference between a sudden stop and a slow stopping of welfare? The slow reduction of welfare is happening now (as a senior, I feel it and see it). Two people here have said this on this thread. I looked for a non-biased link to find this out but the sites that mention anything about it are obviously biased.
It's not a slow stoppage but a trend toward reduction in benefits and a tightening of requirements.
It doesn't work.
This adversely affects those who need it most without affecting the few who are abusing the system.
Ultimately, the solution to welfare is to replace it with jobs for those who are able bodied, jobs which will pay enough to provide a minimum standard of living.
This comes through taking control of our economy.
Doubtless there will be people who place blame upon you for not acquiring enough wealth when you were younger.
They either don't know or don't care that the game is rigged.
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