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Those welfare mothers youre talking about - scratch the surface - each and every one of them has a past history of some sort of child abuse.
They primarily have babies to Have Someone That Will Love Them No Matter What, usually because no one ever HAS loved them...or maybe Loved Them Too Much IYKWIM, causing them to open their legs for every guy who looks twice mistaking sexual attention for affection.
Maybe they have a single mum themselves, and learned at a very early age that Men Wont Stick Around. This sort of thing does tend to be passed on through the line.
Precious few have supportive potential grandparents (maternal AND paternal!) waiting eagerly in the wings for a much wanted grandbaby.
Single motherhood as a Career Goal makes exactly ZERO sense in a capitalist society. They are literally dependent on handouts from a society which begrudges and critiques every penny, and in a world of nice cars and iphones, WHO would choose that?
Folk without choices, that's who.
I'm afraid this is fairly accurate, and while I have sympathy for anyone who has been abused, people respond to incentives and we should not provide incentives for young girls and women to have babies they cannot take care of, no matter what the reason for having the baby.
For some questions you don't need data. The children who were aborted didn't commit any crimes.
Well, I have to consider this. Black women have had the highest rate of abortions in the USA. However, the highest violent crime rate is still among Black Americans. And from what I gather, it's mainly the underclass segment of the Black population, where alot of those crimes come from. Something tells me that abortion wasn't very successful in lower crime in this instance.
Most abortion clinics are in impoverished crime ridden areas.
Those welfare mothers youre talking about - scratch the surface - each and every one of them has a past history of some sort of child abuse.
They primarily have babies to Have Someone That Will Love Them No Matter What, usually because no one ever HAS loved them...or maybe Loved Them Too Much IYKWIM, causing them to open their legs for every guy who looks twice mistaking sexual attention for affection.
Maybe they have a single mum themselves, and learned at a very early age that Men Wont Stick Around. This sort of thing does tend to be passed on through the line.
Precious few have supportive potential grandparents (maternal AND paternal!) waiting eagerly in the wings for a much wanted grandbaby.
Single motherhood as a Career Goal makes exactly ZERO sense in a capitalist society. They are literally dependent on handouts from a society which begrudges and critiques every penny, and in a world of nice cars and iphones, WHO would choose that?
Folk without choices, that's who.
We may be talking about overlapping, but different groups of women. For one thing, my discussion of women who don't see a need for a father in the house is not limited to women on welfare--I'm talking about women across the income spectrum. The ones at the lower end may end up on welfare after having their children, but they merely have the same outlook as those who have the means to stay off welfare.
You are assuming the only reason girls and women are single mothers is because they think they can feed them.
You got that backwards. It's not that women become single mothers because they think they can afford to feed their child(ren), it's that having welfare available makes them think "well, if I get pregnant, I can always get on welfare" instead of "I can't afford to have a baby, I better make sure I don't get pregnant."
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Originally Posted by yiupoy
Ever since we realized babies come from sex, we've still been having babies even before there was a government to help.
Government doesn't help, it enables. In so doing, it begets dependency, which politicians use to manipulate voters.
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Originally Posted by yiuppy
Usually the family or tribe would help provide for the abandoned mother and child, and shame the father.
Which proves that, despite emotional rhetoric claiming otherwise, children will not starve if welfare is eliminated.
Well, I have to consider this. Black women have had the highest rate of abortions in the USA. However, the highest violent crime rate is still among Black Americans. And from what I gather, it's mainly the underclass segment of the Black population, where alot of those crimes come from. Something tells me that abortion wasn't very successful in lower crime in this instance.
Most abortion clinics are in impoverished crime ridden areas.
I didn't say it solved the problem; I said that the children/fetuses/whatever who were aborted did not commit any crimes so the problem would have been worse if abortion had not been available. Are you disagreeing with that?
Please tell me you aren't being serious. It really is hard to tell on this forum sometimes.
My comment is obviously somewhat facetious, but I am more than half serious. If the children who were aborted had been allowed to live, some of them would have grown up to commit crimes, wouldn't they? And those would be in addition to those crimes actually committed, wouldn't they?
I am just trying to use logic in a topic where emotion seems to be the only tool anybody has.
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