Does welfare encourage single motherhood? (Hispanic, politicians, biased, abuse)
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And there is something more I want to add. I agree that the shot-gun marriage thing was big in those days. However, this didn't always mean the father stuck around. There are cases where men left their families and never returned. And this is for Whites and Blacks alike.
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk
Certainly shotgun marriages could fail, but that was only a facet of an overall social inculcation in both black and white society that merely being a "baby daddy" was not acceptable for any respectable man. I'm not dead yet--that wasn't so long ago. The change from "disreputable" to "admirable" happened in a quite short time.
These 2 posts sum up opposite sides of the same coin, IMO. On the one hand, people (esp young "adults") have ALWAYS had sex, and unmarried women have ALWAYS gotten pregnant, and there have ALWAYS been men who didn't stick around. ALWAYS.
On the other hand, it seems men were held to a higher level of responsibility in the past. There were still deadbeats and losers, but it was more shameful to abandon your responsibilities than it is now.
This entire thread would be irrelevant if parents simply put their child's wellbeing ahead of their own, regardless of the circumstances of conception.
And where perchance do you work with them, surely not as a case manager otherwise you would know that even before welfare reform there was absolutely no correlation between welfare benefits and number of births. In fact the birth rate amongst welfare recipients mirrored the same trends as those nationally with the average family size of AFDC recipients in 1992 falling to 2.9 from a high of 4 in 1969.
Since welfare reform passed replacing AFDC with TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) the average monthly allotment in 2010 was $392 for one child, $412 for two, $497 for three and $594 for four or more. Additionally, there was put in place a family cap which disallowed an increase for any child born while a recipient was receiving TANF. So if you think that $20, $85 or $97 per month is the basis for making plans in order to profit from the system I think you misheard the conversation.
The fact it mirrored national trends should tell you something; in that the people receiving benefits cannot afford a kid, whereas most of those in in the trend can. If anything, those receiving welfare should have a lower birth rate than than the national trend.
The correlation is that those on welfare have a birthrate mirror the national trend; it should be lower.
They do make plans for this, do not kid yourself. There are many differing plans, but they all center around receiving that government support to supplement their lifestyle.
I throw "disability" in this as well, which has a large class of people who do all they can to get on disability.
"It’s correct that a single parent can receive $35,000 in benefits, if he or she lives in one of the 10 states listed in the Cato report, or Washington, D.C. But the median welfare package, which would have been the relevant number to use, is about $28,800 — lower than Grothman’s figure."
I think single poor women are doing quite well. So much for the Clinton welfare reform people here keep yapping about that supposedly limits what they get.
"It’s correct that a single parent can receive $35,000 in benefits, if he or she lives in one of the 10 states listed in the Cato report, or Washington, D.C. But the median welfare package, which would have been the relevant number to use, is about $28,800 — lower than Grothman’s figure."
I think single poor women are doing quite well. So much for the Clinton welfare reform people here keep yapping about that supposedly limits what they get.
Wow, that's really your interpretation of those figures? You're staking your flag on the assertion that supporting a family on $35,000 a year TOTAL in some of the HIGHEST cost of living places in America is "doing quite well"??? And that supporting a family on $28,000 anywhere in the US is "doing quite well"??
And somehow you interpret those figures to be so fabulously high that they're limitless?? Like "Wowee, living it up now on $2k a month. Jeez, how can one even begin to spend such a HUGE amount?! It's like it's unlimited!!"???
Wow, that's really your interpretation of those figures? You're staking your flag on the assertion that supporting a family on $35,000 a year TOTAL in some of the HIGHEST cost of living places in America is "doing quite well"??? And that supporting a family on $28,000 anywhere in the US is "doing quite well"??
And somehow you interpret those figures to be so fabulously high that they're limitless?? Like "Wowee, living it up now on $2k a month. Jeez, how can one even begin to spend such a HUGE amount?! It's like it's unlimited!!"???
That's a massive amount of money for someone whose best opportunity is a minimum wage killer job.
That's a massive amount of money for someone whose best opportunity is a minimum wage killer job.
It is not a massive amount of money to raise 2 kids on, especially considering they are not receiving said $35K every other week like a paycheck. That's the estimated value of all benefits. I believe it even included Pell grants. I can't imagine I'd feel too smug about "gaming the system" if I was jumping through all the necessary hoops to scrounge up all the little bits and pieces that add up to such a handsome sum
Wow, that's really your interpretation of those figures? You're staking your flag on the assertion that supporting a family on $35,000 a year TOTAL in some of the HIGHEST cost of living places in America is "doing quite well"??? And that supporting a family on $28,000 anywhere in the US is "doing quite well"??
And somehow you interpret those figures to be so fabulously high that they're limitless?? Like "Wowee, living it up now on $2k a month. Jeez, how can one even begin to spend such a HUGE amount?! It's like it's unlimited!!"???
It is to an uneducated woman with no skills other than to spread her legs for loser men and pop out multiple children. The government gives her money that she should not be getting because we should not raise her damn children. People need to take responsibility for their stupidity. Tax payers should not be on the hook for her out of wedlock children.
Yes, it is. It's "a 2012 analysis he requested from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau of the value of public assistance, student financial aid and tax credits to two hypothetical families."
If you only read the lede, you may not understand the story.
It is to an uneducated woman with no skills other than to spread her legs for loser men and pop out multiple children. The government gives her money that she should not be getting because we should not raise her damn children. People need to take responsibility for their stupidity. Tax payers should not be on the hook for her out of wedlock children.
That is a little crude, but let's just say that it's a massive amount of money for someone whose best opportunity is to bust his or her ass to make minimum wage, which is about $14,000 gross, less after taxes (even though the EITC helps), and you have to actually do the work. The social safety-net benefits may not be wonderful but they are worth much more than $14K, they include health insurance that is almost impossible to get unless you have a professional career, and you don't have to go to work and leave your kids with God-knows-who.
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