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Why are Bob and Sara listed as negative numbers while the offspring are positive numbers? They are all human beings and all subjected to the same parameters: birth, life and then death. The analysis should be as follows since Bob, Sara and the children (or their real world counterparts) will be sharing the earth together for many years, in most cases. Your analysis omits the very important reality that multiple generations exist at the same time and it is NOT the case of the offspring simply replacing Bob and Sara.
You can't arbitrarily make some people negative and others positive to suit your preconceived outcome.
Bob and Sara decide to have 0 children. 2 + 0 = 2
Bob and Sara have 1 child. 2 + 1 = 3
Bob and Sara have 2 children 2 + 2 = 4
child+90 = 0
2(child+90) + 2 = 2
Last edited by Julian658; 11-15-2015 at 09:04 PM..
I never had the desire to have children. I suppose I have a number of reasons for not ever wanting to have children. One being that when I grew up my parents were always kinda poor and struggled to support us and we didn't have the nice thing that my friends growing up had. That experience left me with the desire to never raise a child that had a want for anything so it was just better to not have any kids at all. A lot of people I grew up with had children not out of a plan but because they didn't take precautions and got pregnant or impregnated their girlfriend. I always took precautions. I felt that my family was poor because my parents had children and I have always associated having children with being poor and therefore didn't want children. I wanted my freedom to do what I want when I want. I was lucky to find a woman who also didn't want children and married her we are happy with just us. I have been able to buy my own home something my parents were never able to do I don't live paycheck to paycheck the way my family did. I am not rich by any stretch but I don't struggle the way my family did when I was growing up.
I never had the desire to have children. I suppose I have a number of reasons for not ever wanting to have children. One being that when I grew up my parents were always kinda poor and struggled to support us and we didn't have the nice thing that my friends growing up had. That experience left me with the desire to never raise a child that had a want for anything so it was just better to not have any kids at all. A lot of people I grew up with had children not out of a plan but because they didn't take precautions and got pregnant or impregnated their girlfriend. I always took precautions. I felt that my family was poor because my parents had children and I have always associated having children with being poor and therefore didn't want children. I wanted my freedom to do what I want when I want. I was lucky to find a woman who also didn't want children and married her we are happy with just us. I have been able to buy my own home something my parents were never able to do I don't live paycheck to paycheck the way my family did. I am not rich by any stretch but I don't struggle the way my family did when I was growing up.
Yeah, money is a big factor. And if children are going to cause economic turmoil I see your point!
I never had the desire to have children. I suppose I have a number of reasons for not ever wanting to have children. One being that when I grew up my parents were always kinda poor and struggled to support us and we didn't have the nice thing that my friends growing up had. That experience left me with the desire to never raise a child that had a want for anything so it was just better to not have any kids at all. A lot of people I grew up with had children not out of a plan but because they didn't take precautions and got pregnant or impregnated their girlfriend. I always took precautions. I felt that my family was poor because my parents had children and I have always associated having children with being poor and therefore didn't want children. I wanted my freedom to do what I want when I want. I was lucky to find a woman who also didn't want children and married her we are happy with just us. I have been able to buy my own home something my parents were never able to do I don't live paycheck to paycheck the way my family did. I am not rich by any stretch but I don't struggle the way my family did when I was growing up.
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Originally Posted by Julian658
Yeah, money is a big factor. And if children are going to cause economic turmoil I see your point!
Living paycheck to paycheck definitely sucks. Once upon at time I was when still a young, single person. Also my childhood was very similar to what justinbro2002 describes.
That being said, money and economic factors are not the reason for my decision to not produce offspring. I would just be constantly annoyed by the ongoing neediness of children. What is the point of adulthood if you can't reap the rewards of your personal freedom? Becoming a parent means giving up personal freedom for the sake of raising others. Ten to twenty years ago it was an 18 year commitment but now it seems to be a 25 to 30 year commitment in many cases and in extreme cases the children never leave. No thanks!
That was not the point of the thread. I am talking about the consequences of highly educated intelligent couples that decide not to procreate. In a sense it is a loss for future generations. One may think that it is no big deal at the individual level, but on a large scale it has consequences.
Oh well, it's not my job to "save the world" from such a thing.
Consequences? For whom? Not my problem. Selfish of me to think so? Why is it my responsibility to try to "outdo" the less intelligent in the pro-creation department, when I know it's not right for me to procreate?
There is a paradox in the NO CHILDREN philosophy for the sake of improving future generations:
The folks that do not reproduce are supposed to be intelligent, educated, and from the higher socio economic groups. They are generally environmentalists and worried about the future of the planet. And yet, they deprive the planet from children that could grow up to do great things.
They promote a system that leads to a world where the majority of children come from disadvantaged parents. This create an enormous imbalance between educated/productive and non educated members of society.
If the productive folks systematically commit genetic suicide by not leaving their valuable genes behind future generations will suffer from these actions.
Show me proof that these are the people who choose not to have children. Do you have statistics to back up your claim? I know many child free people who fall into various categories of socioeconomic groups. How many do you know? I also know some pretty intelligent people who have had some pretty unintelligent kids despite giving them a superior upbringing and education.
Are they "doing the right thing" as you are asking in your title is whatever is right for the individual. No one owes Society their reproductive system.
Muslim migrants are allowed in because they feel sorry for them.
Yeah, sure. And the fact that they will soon have a predominantly old population with few young people is not a factor. Dream on!
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The German Government has been keen to encourage immigration over the past fifty years -- partly to address longer term demographic problems in Germany, such as its low birth rate, and partly to address shorter term labor shortages.
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The country is now spending about $265 million every year on family subsidies in an attempt to reverse this trend, with little success. Germany has many issues to overcome, including attitudes in the country where working women with children are dubbed "raven mothers" with an implication of neglectfulness and immigrants are not always welcomed with open arms.
Some experts worry that the country has waited too long to try to address its population problem, and raising fertility rates have proven difficult. Giving money to families and tax breaks for stay-at-home mothers and married couples has done little, and demographers believe expanding after-school and day care programs would be a better investment for the country.
The country will also need to start bringing in more immigrants to fill hundreds of thousands of vacant skilled jobs.
Germany is a representation of the declining fertility rates Europe has seen over the past few decades.
Show me proof that these are the people who choose not to have children.
Just look at Germany one of the most advanced nations in the history of the world. Their fertility rate is so low the government gives money to German women to have children.
See my post above.
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