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Old 01-05-2016, 10:18 AM
 
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I finally saw the documentary last night....what struck me as saddest is how badly they wished they had never done it and how much they hated their lives but felt helpless to stop. One of the kids even said he wished they didn't have any drug that could make you feel that good. Most of them said that, that once you felt the sense of happiness and contentment that came from the high, you can't live without it. They said it doesn't take the pain away, rather it makes you feel happy despite it.


I was also struck that 3 of the kids started after accidents, one a dirt bike, one a motorcycle, and the one girl was hit by a drunk driver. One mom said one prescription for Vicadin after her son's accident changed the course of their entire lives.


I was also struck by the couple who were driving to Boston to buy, and lamenting that they couldn't go to Boston just to go out and have fun like other people. I think the documentary gave an excellent sense of why it is so hard to quit. One of the guys was on his 20th rehab stint!
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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This really hits home for me, my daughter and her husband are on heroin and we have taken custody of the 2 grand children. It's really sad for the kids, they know something is up with mom and dad and their hearts are broken that they can not be with them. This stuff tears families apart with no end in sight, we have resolved that we'll most likely have the children for now on. They both started using pot, then went to scripts like Oxy, once the state started clamping down on prescription drugs heroin became cheap, so that where they went. I lost count on just how many times she has been through rehab, so now it's just a waiting game, to see if she wants her children more than her heroin.
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Old 01-08-2016, 07:36 AM
 
Location: River North, Chicago, Illinois
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to see if she wants her children more than her heroin.
Please, for the sake of your grandchildren, try your damndest not to view it that way. Viewing addiction as a matter of choice has little to no medical evidence to back it up, so really viewing her addiction in terms of whether "she wants her children more than her heroin" is like expecting someone with schizophrenia to "choose" reality over what their brain is telling them. I'm very close to someone with an opiates addiction so while I don't know what it's like to have a child addicted who is unable to care for her children, I at least understand some of the emotions you're experiencing. But, please, for the sake of your grandchildren's mental well-being, don't think (or at least don't express your feelings) in terms of your daughter "choosing" her addiction over her children.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Please, for the sake of your grandchildren, try your damndest not to view it that way. Viewing addiction as a matter of choice has little to no medical evidence to back it up, so really viewing her addiction in terms of whether "she wants her children more than her heroin" is like expecting someone with schizophrenia to "choose" reality over what their brain is telling them. I'm very close to someone with an opiates addiction so while I don't know what it's like to have a child addicted who is unable to care for her children, I at least understand some of the emotions you're experiencing. But, please, for the sake of your grandchildren's mental well-being, don't think (or at least don't express your feelings) in terms of your daughter "choosing" her addiction over her children.
Addiction is not always a choice. My father was an executive for many years. At the age of 74 he was diagnosed with a rare cancer that was extremely painful. He always had the mindset that addiction was a weakness. He lost a daughter and son to addiction and I always felt he thought they were weak and could of overcome this addiction. After being in pain and prescribed narcotics he became completely addicted to them and the doctors, even though he was dying, stopped prescribing him as many pills as before. To me this was a tragedy and he did not live much longer after that. Thankfully near the end hospice gave him morphine.
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Old 01-08-2016, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Please, for the sake of your grandchildren, try your damndest not to view it that way. Viewing addiction as a matter of choice has little to no medical evidence to back it up, so really viewing her addiction in terms of whether "she wants her children more than her heroin" is like expecting someone with schizophrenia to "choose" reality over what their brain is telling them. I'm very close to someone with an opiates addiction so while I don't know what it's like to have a child addicted who is unable to care for her children, I at least understand some of the emotions you're experiencing. But, please, for the sake of your grandchildren's mental well-being, don't think (or at least don't express your feelings) in terms of your daughter "choosing" her addiction over her children.
First of all, I would never tell my grandchildren, that she wants her heroin more than her children, the kids don't need to know that. The cold hard reality to this is, she has been though rehab a number of times for this addiction and seems to choose heroin soon after rehab, the longest she stayed clean was 3 months. She knows full well that she will not gain custody of the children as long as she is on heroin, now that's her choice, she knows there is treatment for her addiction, but chooses otherwise.
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