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Old 02-13-2016, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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The point is that for most of history, the whiter you are the better you are and that if you're white your life matters MORE - and those are facts.

Why do you think that because "black lives matter" means that white lives DON'T? Can't everyone matter? And since white lives automatically matter more in most of society we need a bit more of a reminder about black lives. I'm more than fine with that. If you're so insecure you can't stand it then move to a whiter place so you don't have to think about it so much.

 
Old 02-13-2016, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Year after year, more white people than black people are put down by cops. The media, academia and black activists would have you believe it's the other way around.
It's the percentages that count.... as in, blacks are shot in disproportionately large number by the police.
 
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Old 02-13-2016, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Year after year, more white people than black people are put down by cops. The media, academia and black activists would have you believe it's the other way around.
That is because the whites who are put down typically are armed and not over a painted water pistol or a BB gun that the cops only realize later or have much more questionable struggles than the black people they shoot rather than the white people they shoot like you mention. That's the exact problem.
 
Old 02-13-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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It's the percentages that count.... as in, blacks are shot in disproportionately large number by the police.
That's because blacks are disproportionately more threatening to police ... with or without a firearm.
 
Old 02-13-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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He said 'or', not 'and.' If a person is killed by a cop, it draws more attention since it sort of goes against what we're all told as kids, which is that the police are here to help us. It's concerning when someone is unarmed with no real sign of violent intentions, and is shot 9 times.

Not to mention the fact that cops do seem to shoot black people (not 'a black'; that's a disgusting way to refer to a human being) quite a bit more than others.

We can say black people commit more crimes, but that just doesn't seem to be enough of a reason. Not to mention that the war on drugs has resulted in a mass incarceration of people in general, but black Americans seemed to get the worse end of this. Which is odd, given that there is no evidence to suggest that white and black people use drugs at substantially different rates. Most studies suggest they are more or less the same. Which begs the question, why are black people getting arrested more for crimes they do not statistically commit more?

While I don't know the numbers, it would be interesting to see just how many of those people arrested in the war on drugs were low income individuals.

And no, I'm not some BLM activist. Frankly, I find the way that whole movement works is only further alienating black Americans from white Americans. But I will not disagree that despite being equal on paper, black people seem to be targeted for things quite a lot more than other races.


The Dusty if black people commit more crimes and tend to live in neighborhoods that are mostly black you are going to see more interactions with police as they are high crime areas. That's where police go because they are needed there.


Now if I'm a white guy in a white neighborhood with less crime I'm not going to have many experiences with the cops because stats show mostly they are low crime areas.


Example: A couple of blacks kids 18-25 hanging around on a street corner in a high crime area are going to draw attention from cops. Now say they have weed on them cops searches they get busted.


A couple of white kids 18-25 hanging around on a corner. Cops might see what they are up to make sure they are not causing trouble tell them to go on there way. Now some might have weed on them but do not get searched because their neighborhoods do not have a lot of gang activity or crime. Cops are not looking for that because it's not common.


Now a lot of people on the left will say that's white privilege or profiling. I say that's REALITY. Cops are going to go to where there's crime and police different for different areas. Focus on trying to reduce crime in high crime areas.


Honestly if you arrest more white people how is that going to help poor blacks in high crime areas. Again focus on reducing the crime.
 
Old 02-13-2016, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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That is because the whites who are put down typically are armed and not over a painted water pistol or a BB gun that the cops only realize later or have much more questionable struggles than the black people they shoot rather than the white people they shoot like you mention. That's the exact problem.
Can you provide some proof of this?
 
Old 02-13-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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It isn't considered racial bias if it's blacks against whites and it isn't considered a hate crime if it's blacks against whites.
This is flat-out false, and your peddling of this untruth is irresponsible.

From the FBI:

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Racial bias
Among the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2012
, there were 3,467 victims of racially motivated hate crime.

66.2 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-black bias.
22.0 percent were victims of an anti-white bias.
4.4 percent were victims of a bias against a group of individuals in which more than one race was represented (anti-multiple races, group).
4.1 percent were victims of an anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
3.3 percent were victims of an anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc.../victims_final

And digging further down into the statistics shows that almost a thousand instances of hate crimes perpetrated by blacks were documented in 2012.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._type_2012.xls

Getting even more granular, cross-referencing the race of offenders by the race of the victim shows hundreds of documented hate crimes committed by blacks against whites.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ation_2012.xls

Once again, the notion that blacks are absolved from racial bias is false. And instead of just tossing an empty claim out there, I demonstrated it with actual data.
 
Old 02-13-2016, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Can you provide some proof of this?
You are the one claiming that whites are shot more often. Show me that white people see the same struggles that the more famous black crime cases where they get shot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice
 
Old 02-13-2016, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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That's because blacks are disproportionately more threatening to police ... with or without a firearm.
Uhmmmm....you mean blacks are wrongly PERCEIVED by the police to be more threatening....right? Because they aren't all 6'2" weighing 250 pounds...lots are women, young kids, etc.
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