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Old 09-26-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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The primacy of contract. This is 120-year old thinking, a leftover tidbit from a time of grossly misguided overreaction to the abuses of slavery. Known in brief as the "Lochner Era" from the Supreme Court case of that name, it is all but universally rejected and reviled today,
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Old 09-27-2016, 04:09 PM
 
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It really is permanent.

Roman history,

About 200AD Rome began giving citizens free bread and oil. With large unemployment, I believe caused by slavery, many citizens simply couldn't eat. At the height, about 20% of Roman citizens received government welfare.


These unemployed and fat Romans had nothing to do so the government offered more gladiator games. There were always gladiator games but at the height, there were almost a game every other day.

Bread and circuses.

Fast forward.

EBT card and NFL. Now NFL isn't from the government, but everyone knows that the corporations are the real government right? Plus housing, I don't think Rome ever did that.
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Old 09-27-2016, 05:20 PM
 
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In 50 years, machines will be smarter/faster than 99% of the population. At that point, said 99% will be on welfare, or will be "eliminated" by the owners of the machines. I'm betting on the latter: look at how many people complain about all of the welfare bums. I don't think the owners of the machines will care to keep the moochers alive.
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Old 09-27-2016, 09:16 PM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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In 50 years, machines will be smarter/faster than 99% of the population. At that point, said 99% will be on welfare, or will be "eliminated" by the owners of the machines. I'm betting on the latter: look at how many people complain about all of the welfare bums. I don't think the owners of the machines will care to keep the moochers alive.
Well, in this future dystopia, could large corporations decide to execute parts of the populace?
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Old 09-28-2016, 07:43 AM
 
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It really is permanent.

Roman history,

About 200AD Rome began giving citizens free bread and oil. With large unemployment, I believe caused by slavery, many citizens simply couldn't eat. At the height, about 20% of Roman citizens received government welfare.


These unemployed and fat Romans had nothing to do so the government offered more gladiator games. There were always gladiator games but at the height, there were almost a game every other day.

Bread and circuses.

Fast forward.

EBT card and NFL. Now NFL isn't from the government, but everyone knows that the corporations are the real government right? Plus housing, I don't think Rome ever did that.
And so history repeats itself.

Very good example supporting the argument that over time a society will become dependent on government handouts.
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Old 09-29-2016, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Right now food stamps are being cut overall.
No they aren't.

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I just got a letter informing me that mine are being cut again.
There is a difference between your personal experience and the overall program.
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Old 09-29-2016, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Many state flat-out that they think if someone is willing to work for $2 an hour, they should be able to (the market decides).
There is no possible argument against it. Here are the choices:

A) A willing person works for a willing employer at $2 per hour. Both are better off.

B) A person willing to work for $2 per hour is unemployed. An employer willing to hire at $2 per hour has a vacant position because of the law. Both are worse off.


Clearly, choice A is preferable to choice B. There is not possible counter argument.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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Clearly, choice A is preferable to choice B. There is not possible counter argument.
If that were true, you wouldn't have felt the need of working so hard to convince us of it. Markets are not magical devices for good. They are amoral and are perfectly capable of arriving at and persisting in equilibria that are destructive and socially unacceptable. Just as pure democracy is an awful idea, so are extremes of unregulated free-market capitalism.
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Old 09-29-2016, 06:01 PM
 
Location: East Midlands, UK
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I believe that everyone should be entitled to a basic standard of living. That includes food, healthcare and shelter plus free education. It is not entitlement. These things would pay for themselves and the net benefit to our society would be massive.
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Old 09-29-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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No they aren't.



There is a difference between your personal experience and the overall program.
They altered the guidelines to where not as much of a person's rent is deducted from income as before so that more income is counted against the person in determining amount of food stamps the person gets. Every single person I know who receives food stamps has been informed they will be getting less food stamps come October 1st. They have done this all over the country in various states. I know KY, TN, PA, and MI are definitely affected in this manner because I communicate with people from these states and everyone I know who receives food stamps or knows someone who receives food stamps has been affected.
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