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No, they aren't. Not "basically," not at all. An apprenticeship extends for a period to fully train a person in a craft or profession. He leaves the apprenticeship as a Journeyman and goes to work for a Master--or even hang out his own shingle. An analog to apprenticeship would be an Associate course that included field training and ended in certification.
Internships do not end--and are not intended to end--in the kind of certification that actually means immediate employment.
Internships are basically apprenticeships. Unfortunately, liberals have pushed to eliminate unpaid internships, which for decades served as low cost training programs to teach young people a profession. As usual, ideology defeated common sense, and now it's much more expensive to train entry levels.
Sounds a little too much like "indentured servitude". We had that for a long time as well. Not anymore though.
Internships are basically apprenticeships. Unfortunately, liberals have pushed to eliminate unpaid internships, which for decades served as low cost training programs to teach young people a profession. As usual, ideology defeated common sense, and now it's much more expensive to train entry levels.
The unintended consequence will be that young people will be locked out unless they pay to play, or have a relative in the firm, or can get their training abroad. Similarly, graduate students have recently been designated as employees, a fundamental transformation of a centuries old system of training future scholars.
Liberals are like locusts, rapaciously devouring everything in their path.
Liberals are great at not anticipating or caring about the real-world consequences of their actions. In the case of internships the liberals make the point that interns perform work that would normally be paid. The counterpoint is that the "work" performed by internship requires education and supervision that itself has a value. I believe that college students should have the option of building towards their careers rather than just being lifeguards or summer camp counselors. I understand wage and hour protections for those lacking the sophistication or intelligence to protect their rights. Colleg students generally don't meet that description.
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There is no argument from me that the professions like law and medicine should keep a requirement for bachelor's degrees. We can probably list career fields and professions that actually require graduate degrees, and those that require graduate degrees obviously require bachelor's degrees.
But I'd argue that nearly every job today that "requires" only a bachelor's degree...doesn't actuaLLY require one at all. I'd argue that all those jobs really require--at most--an Associates degree and/or technical certifications.
I am a lawyer, not a doctor. I vociferously support allowing apprenticeships for lawyers, even without a Bachelor's degree.
Well, if there is an argument from you, okay, then.
As a lawyer I have found so-called legal and college education almost valueless. I learned most of what I know from more experienced practitioners. Likewise I have had to teach most young lawyers working under me how to practice. Studying in law school from casebooks filled with high court decisions does nothing to train a young attorney how to apply real-life facts to the law or make arguments that will resonate with a busy judge. Certainly they do not learn to question witnesses, handle discovery or settle discovery disputes.
Learning what some ancient English chancellor had to say about the foreseeable consequences of a particular neglect does not relate to what happens when young attorneys come to work in the morning. Seven years of very pricey babysitting in educations of higher learning similarly adds little to the preparation.
I understand wage and hour protections for those lacking the sophistication or intelligence to protect their rights. Colleg students generally don't meet that description.
College students, for the most part, do generally meet that description. That's why so many of them are in debt with degrees that won't earn them a living.
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