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I work in the fine dining industry, so I can easily find a great chef to make something fantastic out of the words so many of you are going to be eating.
Well guess what? Trump won (barely) and the people of California have a petition to SECEDE (right grammar that time) that should be on the ballot. And guess what? EVEN SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS AGREE!
And this is BEFORE HE EVEN TAKES OFFICE. I thought the Northwest would be the epicenter of this, but it turns out it is California that will lead the charge. But of course "Cascadia" is following suite, which is great. Why?
Because WHILE I AGREE that secession will not happen anytime soon, I do see devolution happening, and regional devolution is the most likely scenario. I mean, there is absolutely NOTHING stopping California, Washington, Oregon and Nevada from working together on issues, forming a count development bang, forming an agreement to pass parallel laws for things like environmental protection that Trump will seek to abolish etc. And there is NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO TO STOP STATES FROM WORKING TOGETHER.
Just as the EU was created slowly, I think we will see a new country forming slowly out of the entire West Coast. And it cannot possibly be argued that California, Washington, Oregon and Nevada could not easily make it on their own. This new nation which may as well be called "Pacifica" will be bigger than any country in Europe but Russia and have a GDP of about 3.1 trillion...now lets just say that gets cut by a third from ending federal funding, just for the sake of argument. That would still mean it would have a GDP the same as Australia.
It will either be A) Trump is impeached or quits and Pence serves one term of B) devolution happens and slowly the west coast begins its slow but unstoppable movement to break away from "Redneckistan." I am hopeful that happens. Why? Because I am tired of sharing a government with people I share nothing else with. Let's be honest: what does a socially liberal, tattooed, pot smoking follower of esoteric (Gnostic) Christianity who never wants kids have in common with kind of people who typically vote conservative? We in Blueland are different from those in Redland and a divorce is long overdue.
And if there are Reds in our states and Blues in others who don't want to split up, we can easily cross migrate during the Devolution years...hell, that is already happening: https://www.amazon.com/Big-Sort-Clus.../dp/B0085476J6
So in light of my correct prediction, do you see this as a likely outcome?
And please, DON'T BRING UP THE CIVIL WAR! That is NOT what I am describing. Did the South work together and slowly devolve and sign referendums etc over the course of a couple of decades? No. I am talking about slow, orderly movement of people who can't stand one another slowly going their separate ways, not a war.
And yes, I take great pleasure in posting this pic:
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If you think it can't, won't or shouldn't happen here I would remind you of what the founding fathers had to say about the issue:
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
My hope is that we have not reached the point where our differences are irreconcilable and there will not be a need for these United States to dissolve the nation and create two or more new countries.
I work in the fine dining industry, so I can easily find a great chef to make something fantastic out of the words so many of you are going to be eating.
Well guess what? Trump won (barely) and the people of California have a petition to SECEDE (right grammar that time) that should be on the ballot. And guess what? EVEN SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS AGREE!
And this is BEFORE HE EVEN TAKES OFFICE. I thought the Northwest would be the epicenter of this, but it turns out it is California that will lead the charge. But of course "Cascadia" is following suite, which is great. Why?
Because WHILE I AGREE that secession will not happen anytime soon, I do see devolution happening, and regional devolution is the most likely scenario. I mean, there is absolutely NOTHING stopping California, Washington, Oregon and Nevada from working together on issues, forming a count development bang, forming an agreement to pass parallel laws for things like environmental protection that Trump will seek to abolish etc. And there is NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO TO STOP STATES FROM WORKING TOGETHER.
Just as the EU was created slowly, I think we will see a new country forming slowly out of the entire West Coast. And it cannot possibly be argued that California, Washington, Oregon and Nevada could not easily make it on their own. This new nation which may as well be called "Pacifica" will be bigger than any country in Europe but Russia and have a GDP of about 3.1 trillion...now lets just say that gets cut by a third from ending federal funding, just for the sake of argument. That would still mean it would have a GDP the same as Australia.
It will either be A) Trump is impeached or quits and Pence serves one term of B) devolution happens and slowly the west coast begins its slow but unstoppable movement to break away from "Redneckistan." I am hopeful that happens. Why? Because I am tired of sharing a government with people I share nothing else with. Let's be honest: what does a socially liberal, tattooed, pot smoking follower of esoteric (Gnostic) Christianity who never wants kids have in common with kind of people who typically vote conservative? We in Blueland are different from those in Redland and a divorce is long overdue.
Good riddance. I've been hoping the west coast whack nuts would leave this country.
A major problem with the presented scenario is the inclusion of ALL of those states.
There is a quiet movement in Washington to separate into two states. The Eastern half or 2/3rds of the state are tired of the West having so much power.
The same applies to California. The folks in the Northern half (or more) of the state are fed up with the Southerners.
Oregon has an East/West split, also.
Nevada, too; Las Vegas does not represent much of the rest of the state.
Idaho has both; a bit of North/South split, and in the Southern part of the state, a little East/West split.
Montana has the Mountain West and the High Plains East.
In the event a secession movement gained traction, would the divisions become more visible or less visible? I don't know, but it would be interesting!
Define "mainstream" in this context. I've only seen a few kooks talking about it seriously. Most people know it's a joke.
Don't get me wrong, there would've been talk of secession in Texas if Hillary had won (barely) and that would've had a snowball's chance too.
Although Texas can split in to up to five states if it wishes. That was part of the annexation agreement back in the 1840s.
Oh. California is not going to secede, nor is Texas, and those other states won't split up either.
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