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Immigration is a paradox - many countries absolutely need it. Japan, Germany, Italy, Greece, and Spain all have declining birth rates and in order to maintain a healthy ratio of workers to retired people (which should be 5:1), they have to resort to immigration. The alternative is to have an economy that stagnates and/or declines . . . .
Who cares about the economy? The economy is there to serve the people, not the other way around. And you're wrong about the ratio thing -- the lower number of children largely balances out the extra old people. And if there's still some imbalance, then the old people need to work till an older age or simply die off and make resources available to young people so they can afford to have children. Replacing the population with foreigners is genocide, so your "solution" is absolutely out of the question.
I have argued for years that the United States needs to invade Mexico AGAIN....and take back the stolen lands that were taken from the Apache, Camanche, Tohono O'odham and other AMERICAN tribes by the Mexican government.
I would be happy to move onto the Apache lands in Baja California.
Who cares about the economy? The economy is there to serve the people, not the other way around. And you're wrong about the ratio thing -- the lower number of children largely balances out the extra old people. And if there's still some imbalance, then the old people need to work till an older age or simply die off and make resources available to young people so they can afford to have children. Replacing the population with foreigners is genocide, so your "solution" is absolutely out of the question.
You really don't know how the economy works do you? And asking older people to just die is a barbaric proposal.
And there was and is nothing about the Jewish culture, aside from Haredi, that doesn't fit nicely with American culture. Why do you feel the need for a jibe at Israel? Are the neighboring Arab states welcoming to Jews? Not since Mohamed expelled the Jews from Medina. Even in places within the Muslim-majority community Jews are tolerated it's always as a dhimmi, or subservient person.
Wow. Did you really say that? So being anti-Christian "fits nicely" with American culture?
It has fit nicely with American culture since 1791...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
Of course, that is wisely anti-religion generally.
The claim was in reference to American culture, not Constitutional law. Surely you would agree that American culture has been traditionally Christian, no?
The claim was in reference to American culture, not Constitutional law.
It was American culture that gave rise to Constitutional law. The Constitution is an expression of our foundational principles as a nation.
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Surely you would agree that American culture has been traditionally Christian, no?
Culture is of course vastly more than the tokenism of mere religion. What I might agree to is that many Americans individually have been and still are professors of some strain of Christian belief. The idea however that we as a nation are exemplars of some made-up Judeo-Christian heritage is just plain nonsense.
It was American culture that gave rise to Constitutional law. The Constitution is an expression of our foundational principles as a nation.
Culture is of course vastly more than the tokenism of mere religion. What I might agree to is that many Americans individually have been and still are professors of some strain of Christian belief. The idea however that we as a nation are exemplars of some made-up Judeo-Christian heritage is just plain nonsense.
OK, so you might agree that an 80% Christian nation has a culture that has been traditionally Christian? Many Americans individually also profess some strain of Islamic belief. Are we no more Christian than Islamic?
And I agree on the idea of a "Judeo-Christian" heritage. It's an oxymoron. The differences between Judaism and Christianity are stark, hence my original point.
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Just because there a law based separation of religion and state doesn't mean there isn't a majority culture based on religion. Turkey has (pre Ergodon) a secular govt. but clearly the beliefs of the majority moderate Sunnis is mainstream culture there. American mainstream culture is based on a particular type of Christianity that believes the USA is the new Israel. It's totally different from pacifists Christian sects like the Quakers or Amish but from the theology that allows aggressive military intervention to gain ground. It was instead heavily influenced by the Old Testament story of Israel moving into a land filled with non believers and violently displacing them. An American soldier who died trying to displace a small tribe of Indians was viewed as a martyr fighting for the New Israel. In recent decades that view has been increasingly thrown out and modern Christians mostly look back in horror at how Indians, Blacks, etc were treated.
OK, so you might agree that an 80% Christian nation has a culture that has been traditionally Christian? Many Americans individually also profess some strain of Islamic belief. Are we no more Christian than Islamic?
It must once again be noted that religion is an entirely individual matter in this country. The state is of NO RELIGION AT ALL and hence cannot be characterized by it. The state is in fact prohibited by our Constitution from playing any role beyond that of protecting the religious rights of some individuals from the maniacal advances of others. The strict religious neutrality that has been imposed on the state is what has allowed religion to flourish here.
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