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Old 11-19-2017, 07:49 PM
 
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I have a question my husband mentioned the other day that I think could be an addition to this thread. It is not about America but compares America to the continent of Africa. He said that Africa is a continent that has many riches and resources. Why have they not gone way beyond the economy of the USA? Why is America so much stronger and more powerful when they have more natural resources? Is it the lack of their being able to get along with each other that is holding them back and are we experiencing some of that diversity of spirit here in the USA now?
Actually that's an entire other thread, but an interesting and complicated question.

 
Old 11-19-2017, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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But those aren't equivalent. Who is uncomfortable going to a nice safe part of town? It doesn't make any sense.

As opposed to going into a blighted high-crime area where your personal safety would be at risk.

They aren't equivalent. And the idea that people from bad areas wouldn't go to good ones defies any reasonable explanation. Isn't the entire premise of inequality that the people with less want more?

Do you think they really want to be the richest guy in the ghetto or barrio?

Nobody wants that. They all want out. You know what shoots this idea right in the butt? Low-income housing policy and how HUD socially engineered the voucher system during the Obama Administration.
The route 50 area I'm talking about wasn't "a blighted high-crime area". It was a relatively poor area.

We're not talking about a ghetto or barrio.

Clearly, you like the current system.
 
Old 11-19-2017, 07:58 PM
 
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What's wrong with status quo? The idea that change is good just because is just Obama nonsense.

If something isn't broken, don't fix it.
It may not be broken for you. It is broken for many. That's exactly the point.
 
Old 11-19-2017, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I have a question my husband mentioned the other day that I think could be an addition to this thread. It is not about America but compares America to the continent of Africa. He said that Africa is a continent that has many riches and resources. Why have they not gone way beyond the economy of the USA? Why is America so much stronger and more powerful when they have more natural resources? Is it the lack of their being able to get along with each other that is holding them back and are we experiencing some of that diversity of spirit here in the USA now?
Yes, I think so. Africa, and even individual countries in Africa, are suffering from tribalism. And I do think that as we are more splintered as of late, and there have been similar periods before in our history. we are also suffering from tribalism. A particular political situation going on right now is a good example.
 
Old 11-19-2017, 08:07 PM
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Actually that's an entire other thread, but an interesting and complicated question.
I thought it applied here because of what is happening in America with so many that are not proud of our country and don't want us to be great again. We were great once but the past few presidents are subscribing to political correctness that is detrimental to a unified America. What has America accomplished in the last few years? It seems to me we are going backwards in accomplishments and jobs for all our citizens. A country cannot succeed when even the young are living off the government.

We have cities that don't want our laws enforced causing a major division in law and order. People marching in the streets against law and order. Why are we allowing people into this country who are so destructive in their political leanings. Why is our government stealing from honest taxpayers and handing the money over to trespassers who are here only because they walked over our border. Get these people out of here! Protect our legal citizens.
 
Old 11-19-2017, 08:35 PM
 
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The mind seeks confirmation of what it already believes. There are over 40 million blacks in the country. There is no way a single human can witness even 1% of the behavior of blacks, whether its from personal experience with them or watching blacks on the news. Hence, if seeing blacks commit crime on the news makes a person think violence is inherent with blacks......its because their mind had already believed that....because there is certainly not enough evidence to prove that it is true.
You can witness it on YouTube. There's tons of videos filmed by blacks -and whites- of people engaging in violent behavior.

People are too quick to whip out their phone and record others fighting. Also remember a while back, people were filming a woman going crazy banging on a house and eventually setting FIRE to the house causing an elderly man to DIE? Instead of calling police or the fire department before, during and after the fire was set, no, they insisted on filming. Cackling, laughing, getting a real hoot out of the situation. Yea, people tried to enter the house and save him. But they waited too long and he died. Just so they can have something to upload and raise their stardom of YouTube. Instead they've lowered their value of another life.

So instead of recording when someone is getting jumped by a large crowd, laughing at some guy getting knocked out for a "game", or just basically film someone that needs help in a dire situation, why not be a compassionate HUMAN and give someone a hand, help, or maybe even try TALKING to the person. No matter what color they are.

This "racial divide" could be conquered. Quit blaming each other. The ones to blame are the ones that refuse to look into the present and future and work with each other to ensure our kids and theirs live in a better world than we live in now. Because of the past.
 
Old 11-19-2017, 10:28 PM
 
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It may not be broken for you. It is broken for many. That's exactly the point.
It isn't broken when it works the way its supposed to.

Saying its broken for many is just Social Justice Warrior code for "gimme dat".

The economy is not broken simply because of "income inequality".

Anyone can plainly see that most economic systems that respect natural rights reflect natural systems. Except ones that artificially engineered to not do that and invariably those are oppressive and often evil regimes that are doomed to collapse, after causing immeasurable amounts of human suffering.

Income inequality is not the result of some grand scheme to screw over a bunch of people. It just "is", in the sense that the sky is blue. While there are a variety of artificial factors, is the way that it is primarily because of inherent organic inequalities in the ways that immaterial resources and assets are distributed in the population; these things are leveraged to create economic value, hence the inequality.
 
Old 11-19-2017, 10:30 PM
 
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I thought it applied here because of what is happening in America with so many that are not proud of our country and don't want us to be great again. We were great once but the past few presidents are subscribing to political correctness that is detrimental to a unified America. What has America accomplished in the last few years? It seems to me we are going backwards in accomplishments and jobs for all our citizens. A country cannot succeed when even the young are living off the government.

We have cities that don't want our laws enforced causing a major division in law and order. People marching in the streets against law and order. Why are we allowing people into this country who are so destructive in their political leanings. Why is our government stealing from honest taxpayers and handing the money over to trespassers who are here only because they walked over our border. Get these people out of here! Protect our legal citizens.
I don't disagree with your statements. I'm just saying its another topic all of its own. It is certainly true that Identity Politics in general (including race), has been weaponized by the Left in their assault against Western Civilization, to great and disastrous effect. No question.

But that's really another thread.
 
Old 11-19-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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It isn't broken when it works the way its supposed to.

Saying its broken for many is just Social Justice Warrior code for "gimme dat".

The economy is not broken simply because of "income inequality".

Anyone can plainly see that most economic systems that respect natural rights reflect natural systems. Except ones that artificially engineered to not do that and invariably those are oppressive and often evil regimes that are doomed to collapse, after causing immeasurable amounts of human suffering.

Income inequality is not the result of some grand scheme to screw over a bunch of people. It just "is", in the sense that the sky is blue. While there are a variety of artificial factors, is the way that it is primarily because of inherent organic inequalities in the ways that immaterial resources and assets are distributed in the population; these things are leveraged to create economic value, hence the inequality.
It's been broken for some people throughout American history, from the beginning until now.
 
Old 11-20-2017, 12:06 AM
 
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It's been broken for some people throughout American history, from the beginning until now.
Sure, at every point in time, someone is doing poorly. That's a given and it isn't ever going to change. BTW, its funny that the people that jump on slogans like "hope and change" inherently reject the idea that all of biological Life is in a state of constant change, along with every natural system. It would be impossible for them to be totally static.

It is just ironic that people are calling for something, and implying that only they can bring it about, when it has always existed and always will.

It would be like saying, "Hope and an increase in entropy". You're gonna get the latter no matter what you do or do not do. You aren't the one controlling that and you can't.

But what they are REALLY saying, is "we want different policies" or perhaps more accurately "we don't like anything that is going on with regards to policy, so we want to change everything."

Problem is, most stuff doesn't NEED to be changed, and certainly not dramatically changed.
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