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Old 02-02-2018, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Anything less is allowing kids to get away with murder. If you don't know that your child is bringing a loaded gun to class, you are a grossly negligent parent.
Nonsense. Kids are up to all kinds of nonsense that capable and hard working parents are unaware of. By your definition damned near every parent is negligent. Your problem is you’d rather have a lousy and unworkable solution to a problem than admit there’s no solution.
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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First, every state has different laws. Secondly, a parent can't watch what a child does every second of the day such as when they are at school. It's also a fine line as to when a child knows better. Is that at age 3? 5? 10? 15?


With that said, I do feel that the parents should be somewhat liable if their kid gets a hold of their gun as it should be secured!
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Reports are saying now that it was an unintentional shooting; that is, the child did not bring the gun with the intention of killing anyone. It's possible she found it on her way to school or she got it from home. If from home, I am sure there will be more charges.
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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To the OP: Because you ought to be charged with something you decide to do, not something that somebody else decides to do.
I get what the OP is trying to convey. Parents are legally responsible for their children....in some instances until they are 21.

OP, I'm torn. I do think that parents with children ought to take all precautions available regarding any firearms they have in their homes or on their property. But, there are often other illegal avenues that allow kids to get their hands on weapons.

I can relate to worried parents these days. It is a sad time. It would be hard to parent school aged kids in this day and age with all the worries and unrest.
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Old 02-02-2018, 01:00 PM
 
Location: London
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Good answer. I think if there are not sufficient laws in place on this, we need to strengthen them. A lot of the posters on here still don't seem to get that parents are responsible for their children's actions.

Anything less is allowing kids to get away with murder. If you don't know that your child is bringing a loaded gun to class, you are a grossly negligent parent.
What are parents supposed to do, go full TSA on their kids every single day?

Hell, even that doesn't always work. Contraband is smuggled daily even on flights.
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Old 02-02-2018, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Punishing family members for the crime of another is what they do in dictatorships like China and North Korea.

No thanks!
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Old 02-02-2018, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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What are parents supposed to do, go full TSA on their kids every single day?
No, parents can instead properly secure their handguns using any number of means, including the simplest and cheapest means, which is using a trigger-guard lock.
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Old 02-02-2018, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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good idea! if parents own guns and kids can get them charge the parents with murder just like their kids.
I presume, then, that you feel the same about vehicular homicide? If the teenager is driving the parent's vehicle, and kills another driver or a pedestrian, the parent(s) should be charged with accessory to murder?
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Old 02-02-2018, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Federal law bars anyone under the age of 18 from possessing a handgun and also from possessing ammunition for a handgun.

Accordingly, when handguns are used in school shootings, the appropriate action is to charge the parents with aiding and abetting, complicity and also as accessories before and during the fact.

That will force parents with handguns to ensure they are properly secured, and that minors do not have access to either handguns or ammunition for handguns.



Most people are stupid and totally ignorant of the law.



See State and federal laws pertaining to aiding and abetting, complicity, conspiracy and accessory.



It would reduce school shootings by forcing parents to secure their handguns and ammunition.

Handguns may be easily secreted on the person or in bags or back-packs, but rifles and shot-guns are very difficult to conceal, possibly providing sufficient early warning for students to flee to safety.
There have been a number of cases of children as young as 12 who have defended themselves and their families against home invaders. Would you prefer that they died?
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Old 02-02-2018, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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There have been a number of cases of children as young as 12 who have defended themselves and their families against home invaders. Would you prefer that they died?
An 11-year-old girl was able to scare off a suspect — later taken into custody — during a home invasion in Lapeer County’s North Branch Township. A Lapeer County Sheriff’s Office news release states one person knocked on all the doors and forced their way inside the home when there was no response. The girl locked herself inside a bathroom closet with a shotgun. The suspect eventually opened the bathroom door and closet where the child was hiding with the weapon. The girl aimed the shotgun at the suspect, whom then fled from the home.

11 Year Old Uses Shotgun To Defend Against Home Invader

They can use shot-guns or rifles, instead of handguns.
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