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Old 08-27-2018, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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Illegal immigrants are mostly poor, and poor people tend to live shorter lives than middle or upper income people. With all the illegal immigrants here it's not surprising that they would drive down the average.


But our life expectancy should be getting longer because we fight fewer large scale wars.


So what are the longevity stats for native-born Americans?
People of Latino and Asian heritage actually have the highest life expectancies in the US. Seeing as a large amount of illegal immigrants are from Central America or Asia, if anything, having illegal immigration probably drives our life expectancy up
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Old 08-27-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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"Socialised" vs "private" medicine doesn't have to be an either/or situation.
I think it makes many Americans happy to think so though.

I've used medical facilities and services in three different European countries, and all three had both a national tax-supported system and private health care.
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Old 08-27-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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This is not just an American issue. 18 of the richest countries have all seen a decline in life expectancy. 13 of the 18 have a nationalized health care.... sooo... No this is not strictly American nor a reflection on our health care. It's an universal global problem with access to opioids.

This really isn't that hard to grasp.
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Old 08-27-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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Sorry, Shane, but you're wrong. My wife, who was a hospital RN saw many cases of illegals and others with no insurance, admitted to the hospital, had the surgery they needed, and normal hospital care in a private room, before they were released.

That's fine. And commendable. My wife is RN also, I am health care practitioner myself. I could have told many more stories of the opposite, but I have better one.
US does not have any preventative health care. Health care is symptomatic only, heavily leaning on medications use to prolong condition, by eleviating symptoms, until it becomes so grave, that very costly (profitable) operative treatments or, other very costly (profitable) treatments have to step in. When it's basically late.
I have been in preventative health care, as end user and my wife, as physician. Though it is pain and burden on HC personnel, due to copious amount of work to be done and low crowd compliance, it is a better system.
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Old 08-27-2018, 12:14 PM
 
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Oh, and back to OP.
At least, we have retirement age raised. Good. Soon it will match average life span, so one will work "till death" literally.
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Old 08-27-2018, 12:18 PM
 
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Health care is already rationed. As in poor people - and even middle class - basically don't get any. My ultimate decline and disability was accelerated by the fact that it happened while I was in college working on an advanced degree. Not working. No insurance. Student health insurance was expensive and limited in coverage - no pre-existing conditions. When you are 50 years old, EVERYTHING is a pre existing condition.

We also don't get dental care. It isn't covered by Medicaid/Medicare and I have THOUSANDS of dollars of work to be done, partly due to botched work done at one of those low-income clinics. I'll probably lose all my teeth. Research has shown repeatedly that losing all your teeth shortens your life and greatly reduces quality of life as well. Because most folks who lose their teeth do so because they can't afford dental care in the first place. So they certainly can't afford well-fitting dentures, which need to be replaced every few years because the shape of your mouth changes continually after you lose all your teeth, due to accelerating bone loss.

Pardon me if my heart doesn't bleed because national health doesn't cover your elective surgery. I might have had another 20 useful years if I'd had access to the health care I needed, when I needed it.

And I do not care if your wife is an RN. What you report is a lie. The ONLY surgery people get is for life-threatening conditions. So you propose that folks should just be left to die. If your condition is not IMMEDIATELY life-threatening, you get nothing but packed off as quickly as possible. I was in the ER more than once for uncontrolled bleeding and they just stopped the bleeding and sent me home. A one hour operation would have solved the problem, but they wouldn't do it because it wasn't going to kill me right away to just go on the way I was. Eventually, but not today. So shove off.
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Old 08-27-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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I'm of the understanding that life expectancy has remained about the same for the last 20 years or so. While medical treatments and procedures have improved, the biggest reasons why life expectancy hasn't are obesity and changing demographics. We have had a huge increase in the Mexican American population, and due to a number of reasons, this population has a shorter life span than European Americans.
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Old 08-27-2018, 01:21 PM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Illegal immigrants are mostly poor, and poor people tend to live shorter lives than middle or upper income people. With all the illegal immigrants here it's not surprising that they would drive down the average.
The Rio Grande Valley (Brownsville, TX to McAllen, TX) is by far one of the poorest places in the U.S and full, full, full of illegals. Yet, Hispanics living there (independent of citizenship status) have higher life expectancies than non-Hispanic whites in the U.S. as a whole. It's all those beans... or maybe it's genetic.

Opioids are killing our people: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.077f9e75a836
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Old 08-27-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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Illegal immigrants are mostly poor, and poor people tend to live shorter lives than middle or upper income people. With all the illegal immigrants here it's not surprising that they would drive down the average.
The number of illegal immigrants in the US peaked in 2007. It is amazing to me how many social ills people can blame on "the illegals" without ever having done any basic research.

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Old 08-27-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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Sorry, Shane, but you're wrong. My wife, who was a hospital RN saw many cases of illegals and others with no insurance, admitted to the hospital, had the surgery they needed, and normal hospital care in a private room, before they were released.
This happens if the patient comes in through the ER. If you are having a diabetic crisis, the ER will treat you, and that includes surgery if needed. However, if you simply need insulin to manage your diabetes on a regular basis, you are out of luck.

I have Crohn's Disease. If I didn't have insurance, I would not have access to the medicine I need, and it costs about $36,000 per year. I could of course wait until I had a bowel obstruction and go to the ER. They would admit me, and they would probably perform a surgery to alleviate the obstruction, removing part of my intestines. I would then be back again in about five years to do it all over again. Would that be treating my disease? No, of course not.

If you don't have insurance, having a real medical condition is not solved by ER access.
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