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Old 07-18-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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As opposed to too harsh or fair.This is something that is constantly repeated by many people in many countries.

I suppose one aspect is that there really is no "justice". In cases of theft and burglary, a financial compensation can sort things out but with murder that destroys a family, rape that leaves someone emotionally scarred and pregnant or an assault that leaves someone facially disfigured, no amount of money can relieve the trauma so when someone gets off with 10 years people believe the criminal should be killed/left to rot.

There's also the idea that prison is too soft but from the friends I talk to, prison ain't soft. It may be better than the hellholes in South America/SE Asia but it's terrifying. A "dog eat dog" world and if you show any signs of weakness, people will pick on you.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I don't get that sense. I think there is a lot of disagreement on this in the US, with some thinking it is too harsh and some thinking it is too soft. I am one of many whose main complaint is that it is imbalanced and inconsistent. You see some people sentenced to relatively light sentences for serious crimes and others for harsh sentences for seemingly lesser crimes. There are a lot of reasons for that - different jurisdictions, different juries, different judges, and of course the fact that people with greater resources can afford a better legal defense and therefore often receive acquittals or lesser sentences. To me it is imbalanced, not lax as an overall condition.
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Why do (some) people in America think the criminal justice system is too lax?
Because those people tend to confuse 'justice' ...with vengeance (eg: capital punishment).
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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Default System too lax

Because of the high crime rates consisting of both offenders and repeat offenders in addition to consistent disorders in society negatively affecting schools, workplaces, and neighborhoods.
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I think people that think that (too lax) are mainly concerned about recidivism rates.
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I think people that think that (too lax) are mainly concerned about recidivism rates.
Yeah, that's definitely my problem, and no other city is a better example of that than Chicago. So many thugs and criminals get light sentences for murders, muggings, robberies, rapes etc.... then are released out again to do the same exact thing all over again.

Obviously if they're cool with committing more crimes and going back into jail time and time again, they must not have a serious problems with the conditions in jail.
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Old 07-18-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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Yeah, that's definitely my problem, and no other city is a better example of that than Chicago. So many thugs and criminals get light sentences for murders, muggings, robberies, rapes etc.... then are released out again to do the same exact thing all over again.

Obviously if they're cool with committing more crimes and going back into jail time and time again, they must not have a serious problems with the conditions in jail.
But that doesn't mean prison is a good place though? I suspect for the Average American saying that, they would crap their pants if they ever had to spend a few months in prison. Especially people who've never fought in their life.

And unless you want an incredibly difficult life of finding decent jobs, housing, a record sucks big time.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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But that doesn't mean prison is a good place though?

I suspect for the Average American saying that, they would crap their pants if they...
Prisons are a CEU program for criminals.
Some learn how to get out and out of the game but most learn new or better tricks.

If you know someone is a criminal (prosecuted, sentenced, etc)
the last thing you want to do is to move him in with other criminals.

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Old 07-18-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I am not American, but to me a killer has no more right to live. That person has crossed a line from which there is no way back. He or she will remain a pariah forever. It is irresponsible to release someone like that into society ever again. Like one of those mad dogs that rip apart children. They can never be trusted again. There is no cure for such brains. They should be put to sleep to protect society. I am a progressive, mind you, not conservative at all.

What I find really disturbing is how the legal system works these days:
For instance there is a case here where a daughter and her husband have brutally murdered her mother in order to inherit her stuff. The evidence is overwhelming, yet I heard the couple's lawyer argue on TV today that it is all invalid bla bla bla.
In other cases lawyers systematically try to set criminals free based on procedural errors.

In my view lawyers should only try to prevent someone from being falsely convicted, but as soon as lawyers themselves realize their clients are indeed guilty, they should no longer even try to set those criminals free, but merely make sure the penalty is not excessive relative to the crime.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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I wouldn't say it's lax, but wildly inconsistent.

A 28 year old teacher, Brittany Zamora, recently got a twenty year sentence for having sex with a student. A local man where I'm from got a thirty day sentence for a fatal DUI.
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