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So advanced they were all easily colonized and “destroyed”? How come no one has ever heard of these great African “empires”. Seem to have trouble finding all their great cities and advanced technologies.
Social evolution can be stunted and the mind power that it takes to build a great society may be undeveloped. We aren't supposed to talk about or study anything to do with this sort of stuff because "racism" but it's not necessarily race that's the biggest problems. If we could study this perhaps we would identify multiple reason why some groups excel and some do not, it would go a long way to figuring out how to get around the stumbling blocks I think.
So advanced they were all easily colonized and “destroyed”? How come no one has ever heard of these great African “empires”. Seem to have trouble finding all their great cities and advanced technologies. And “Great Zimbabwe”. LOL the one whose economy crashed after they kicked out all the white farmers and stole their land and had to start importing food as a result. They aren’t even smart enough to farm.
Rome was great yet it was destroyed, same with Greece, same with the British Empire your point makes zero sense all great empires were destroyed. The vast majority of these empires weren't destroyed by Colonialism, the Benin Empire and Kongo might actually be the only one actually destroyed by Colonialism on the list. The rest fell like all other Empires eventually fall.
Sorry but your ignorant, Great Zimbabwe doesn't refer to the modern country just like Mongol Empire or British Empire, or Persian Empire or literally any country with the words Great or Empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
Please educate yourself, or else your argument literally makes zero sense. Like your dissing all of history by saying something as "easily colonized and destroyed", all great Empires have fallen... usually political instability is the reason, but often other Empires cause Empires to fall. You asked for a list you got it then you try to circumvent the list by saying, well they fell i'm sorry just admit your ignorant of African history and history in general and move on with your life, you don't want to get embarrassed here.
Also saying noone has heard of them is akin to asking an American whether Lebron or Messi is more important to the world, then hearing a resounding answer of Lebron, even though Messi is clearly the most impactful in terms of world impact, where your from biases your question. IF you want to discuss, saying "noone's ever heard of you" is not a valid argument. I could give you a multitude of reasons why, the number one being you live in America/Canada but that's pointless as it's pretty obvious.
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Rome was great yet it was destroyed, same with Greece, same with the British Empire your point makes zero sense all great empires were destroyed. The vast majority of these empires weren't destroyed by Colonialism, the Benin Empire and Kongo might actually be the only one actually destroyed by Colonialism on the list. The rest fell like all other Empires eventually fall.
Sorry but your ignorant, Great Zimbabwe doesn't refer to the modern country just like Mongol Empire or British Empire, or Persian Empire or literally any country with the words Great or Empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
Please educate yourself, or else your argument literally makes zero sense. Like your dissing all of history by saying something as "easily colonized and destroyed", all great Empires have fallen... usually political instability is the reason, but often other Empires cause Empires to fall. You asked for a list you got it then you try to circumvent the list by saying, well they fell i'm sorry just admit your ignorant of African history and history in general and move on with your life, you don't want to get embarrassed here.
Also saying noone has heard of them is akin to asking an American whether Lebron or Messi is more important to the world, then hearing a resounding answer of Lebron, even though Messi is clearly the most impactful in terms of world impact, where your from biases your question. IF you want to discuss, saying "noone's ever heard of you" is not a valid argument. I could give you a multitude of reasons why, the number one being you live in America/Canada but that's pointless as it's pretty obvious.
SO then you can't use the argument that Africa is a wasteland because of colonialism if all these other great empires that fell in non african countries rebuilt to be great and are actually modern countries/civilizations today. And have been throughout most of history.
SO then you can't use the argument that Africa is a wasteland because of colonialism if all these other great empires that fell in non african countries rebuilt to be great and are actually modern countries/civilizations today. And have been throughout most of history.
1. I don't think Africa is a wasteland, so no I never had this argument to begin with. Also your using Africa as a monolith, parts of Africa had great empires, specifically West and East Africa as well as North Africa, South and Central Africa largely didn't have as many large Empires, mostly due to Geography (South Africa was historically sparsely populated and most of Central Africa is dense Jungle) , and not because West and East Africans are somehow better than Central and Southern Africans.
2. My argument wasn't agreeing with you. Some of these African countries are known and relevant. My argument is that, that is just a terrible argument for anything outright, and if you want to have serious discussions with people you should never put that argument out for anything, i'm giving you advice.
3. Here are the most popular African Empires in terms of how "well known" they are.
a.) Mansa Munsa is popularly known as the richest man to ever live, and the saying "From here to Timbuktu" also connects to him because Timbuktu was the capital of the Mali Empire, which was the nation he lead at it's height. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17583772
b.) Ethiopia is a biblical term and Empire, as in it's mentioned throughout the bible numerous times, in actuality it was Kush, it's just that Ethiopia was the Greek term for Black people. It was also known to the Greeks. https://sarata.com/bible/verses/about/ethiopia.html
Kush/Nubia/Ethiopia is also known for taking over Egypt and controlling it during the 25th Dynasty, and Kush was one of Egypt's historical rivals and shows up on tons of maps with Ancient Egypt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty...nasty_of_Egypt
But they rid the coattails of the Malian Empire in popularity so I don't consider them that different in popular culture.
4. Africa has had bad and good periods. Colonization largely set the continent back from forming organic ethnostates that would then subjugate and culturally assimilate their neighbors to form modern countries like France, Germany and Italy all did when they first formed countries. Hell Spain is still dealing with these issues today so it isn't like it's a uniquely African problem. With Colonization, the Yoruba and Igbo could have formed two large ethnostates and absorbed their smaller regional rivals but instead they got lumped in a country with each other and the Hausa causing internal conflict for decades. I'm half Ijaw and half Yoruba, the Ijaw are a tiny (4,000,000+ people) coastal ethnic Group that realistically would have probably been part of a greater Igbo Nation-state and faded into a regional culture like regions of Germany did into the Greater German state. But instead lots of tiny Groups have retained their cultures because their was never a dominant culture to assimilate to in Nigeria, like their was in Europe or America and so chaos ensued. Even worse the Yoruba side of my family is 1/4 in Benin and 3/4ths in Nigeria 100% due to the French and British, and now because they speak different languages their is no need for these two parts to unify even though they used to be culturally more similar.
The problems and issues would have resolved themselves better with no European involvement which would have allowed the countries to move forward quicker. Instead most of the problems didn't get resolved till 2000 and only since 2000 has the continent seen massive development. I'm personally a product of "Nigerianization", in which two distant ethnic groups have children and this is happening all over the continent, in 50 years the continent will be much more linguistically homogenous and that will help a lot of these conflicts kick the bucket.
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Topography, religion, wars, and various problems made it very difficult for the region to develop. Whenever America or Europe would try to help certain areas they are driven away or have to pull out because of dangerous geopolitical unrest such as tribal warfare, terrorism, and religious ethnic cleansing.
It's sad because Africa is the original and earliest settlements of human civilization. It has been reset multiple times by different civilizations and now it is now the poorest continent even though there are many wealthy areas it is far and few.
Topography, religion, wars, and various problems made it very difficult for the region to develop. Whenever America or Europe would try to help certain areas they are driven away or have to pull out because of dangerous geopolitical unrest such as tribal warfare, terrorism, and religious ethnic cleansing.
It's sad because Africa is the original and earliest settlements of human civilization. It has been reset multiple times by different civilizations and now it is now the poorest continent even though there are many wealthy areas it is far and few.
So how would their people do if they moved to countries with good topography, no wars, stable governments, and that was already economically prosperous?? Surely there are many examples of this.
Countries with terrible topography, like Russia, that have had wars since the Middle Ages, Communist, Bolshevik, Tsarist governments, are functioning without constant financial asistance.
So how would their people do if they moved to countries with good topography, no wars, stable governments, and that was already economically prosperous?? Surely there are many examples of this.
They are #10 in degree attainment. How is that good? Many Nigerians aren't even african either, and the ones that are are among the most civilized Africans on the continent.
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