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Purely anecdotal as I have no links to support this but my aunt was furious over the defunding & she was not the only one of her colleagues to have experienced this.
Her vaccine could reverse the progression of HIV into full-blown AIDS. It would have made the huge money making HIV 'cocktail' irrelevant. I can't imagine one would be so naive think that politics & greed have not worked against our best interests when it comes to advances in medical science.
She died in 2001 from an extremely rare & fast-moving form of cancer, holding 14 patents for this vaccine. In October it finally was refunded for development. Ridiculous.
So her vaccine would have been a Good Thing but all other vaccines are Bad?
It could not possibly be that her approach did not pan out, could it? Research on the concept clearly continued after 2000. There are cites in PubMed, including this one:
I see something changing. I have even seen provax people here on CD saying the very same thing because "it hasn't been properly vetted". The only difference between me & them is that I don't believe any of them have been.
The "stay isolated UNTIL a vaccine" has been rubbing a lot of people the wrong way due to the 18 month prediction. If a vaccine is ready within say the next week they would revert to thinking the need a vaccine but I don't see that happening. The mandatory for adults fear is having the same effect. Backfiring & I am intrigued by their responses.
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So her vaccine would have been a Good Thing but all other vaccines are Bad?
Pretty much perfect. Because her vaccine could be given to people already HIV+. It wouldn't be neccessary to mass-vaccinate to keep people well; another posibility as to why is was de-funded but like I said; she wasn't the only one of her peers who experienced this.
My aunt was a finely-tuned (ahem) perfectionist with an explosive temper. I sat through enough highly animated arguments between her, my also a research scientist mom & my virologist uncle to know that something very underhanded was going on.
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The problem with HIV is that antibodies to the virus do not clear it from the body. That makes finding a vaccine problematic.
This was different. A published article dedicated to my aunt:
What if what if what if. What if New York shut down sooner rather than later? Would the carnage have been less severe and not overwhelmed the heath care system? What if nothing was done to mitigate this and every state had their healthcare system overwhelmed? How much collateral damage would there be with normal business as usual traumas, heart attacks, strokes not having a hospital bed or ventilator because all are taken up with Covid patients? What if there was zero PPE left? Would health care workers walk off the job? How about grocery stores? Would there be a food shortage? Unmitigated Covid? Unimaginable.
What if our pandemic response model mirrored Singapore's? As of April 14 Singapore reported 1,300 cases, 1,287 people were hospitalized in stable condition with 28 in critical condition, and only 10 deaths. Over 600 people have recovered. Singapore reported its first case on January 23rd. When was our first case reported? January 21st. What was our response? Lie and deny. We are still growing exponentially. Unfortunately Singapore is seeing an upswing in new cases because of imported cases. They have since closed schools and non essential businesses along with a stay at home order. I think what we are seeing is that an early aggressive response is what's needed vs lying and denying, deflecting and blaming others while it spreads like wild fire. Singapore took this very seriously and had an early and aggressive response. I think it probably saved a lot of lives. Singapore has a population of about 6 million people. That's still very low numbers. It will be interesting to see how they handle their second wave.
No, it wasn't. There are dozens of actions that were taken starting in late 2019, as soon as word about a novel coronavirus leaked out of China. The CDC tried to send a delegation to Wuhan to study the virus, but were denied entry. The President took many actions including halting travel from China as soon as he was told it was dangerous. The CDC actually began working on a vaccine in December 2019, as I recall, and also started working on test kits.
If you learn all your news from CNN or similar partisan organizations, you'll get hardly any facts.
I see something changing. I have even seen provax people here on CD saying the very same thing because "it hasn't been properly vetted". The only difference between me & them is that I don't believe any of them have been.
The "stay isolated UNTIL a vaccine" has been rubbing a lot of people the wrong way due to the 18 month prediction. If a vaccine is ready within say the next week they would revert to thinking the need a vaccine but I don't see that happening. The mandatory for adults fear is having the same effect. Backfiring & I am intrigued by their responses.
Pretty much perfect. Because her vaccine could be given to people already HIV+. It wouldn't be neccessary to mass-vaccinate to keep people well; another posibility as to why is was de-funded but like I said; she wasn't the only one of her peers who experienced this.
My aunt was a finely-tuned (ahem) perfectionist with an explosive temper. I sat through enough highly animated arguments between her, my also a research scientist mom & my virologist uncle to know that something very underhanded was going on.
This was different. A published article dedicated to my aunt:
Kudos to your aunt, however at this juncture it does not appear that antibodies generated by goat lentivirus based vaccines can eliminate HIV.
I still find it interesting that you think her HIV vaccine would have been good and all other vaccines are bad.
I see people here saying they will not take a COVID-19 vaccine but none that I would identify as pro-vaccine.
I am very hazy on the details, because I am not a virologist or epidemiologist but, as I understand it, back in the Middle Ages, people were taking sticks and scratching the arms of healthy people with fluid taken from the pustules of SmallPox sufferers or whatever Plague calamity was bothering the Kingdom. More than a thousand years later, the process of vaccination is somewhat more refined. Somewhat. Are we ashamed yet?!
Recent posts have changed my thinking about how likely it is that we will mass vaccinate our way out of Covid-19. IMO it will be mandatory to at least identify the 80% of the population that already has adequate antibodies so that what vaccine can be manufactured is not wasted on those with natural immunity. Or is that too obvious? God help us if the diabetic, overweight, old or otherwise co-morbid cannot take the vaccine and will depend on me and mine paying full ticket for the good of the order.
More than ever, this time the answer looks like a CUREâ„¢ vs the usual vaccine BS status quo. It is one thing to just hold the hands of the dying during Covid-19 version 1.0, how is it going to look going forward when the total number of Covid dead, year over year (you know they will be keeping count) heads into the millions? Friends, we need a 'one and done' for this, don't let anybody tell you different. I am not an anti-vaxxer but it is getting a little surreal up in here. The average two year old has some 34 different viral signatures injected into their circulatory system, and more are coming on line as we speak. WTH. As the good Dr. McCoy would say, "Medieval Jim, positively Medieval ...
Pretty much perfect. Because her vaccine could be given to people already HIV+. It wouldn't be neccessary to mass-vaccinate to keep people well; another posibility as to why is was de-funded but like I said; she wasn't the only one of her peers who experienced this.
A vaccine that can be given to a disease sufferer and bring about an end to the affliction is called a CUREâ„¢ and it is a real pity that more aren't available. Cures just aren't profitable in the way that they used to be. It took 40 years to get a viable HIV 'vaccine' to market, I think they call it PREP. When you study how it's taken, and the cost. That's why your aunt's research and intellectual property had to be deep sixed. NPP. I've said too much already
A vaccine that can be given to a disease sufferer and bring about an end to the affliction is called a CUREâ„¢ and it is a real pity that more aren't available. Cures just aren't profitable in the way that they used to be. It took 40 years to get a viable HIV 'vaccine' to market, I think they call it PREP. When you study how it's taken, and the cost. That's why your aunt's research and intellectual property had to be deep sixed. NPP. I've said too much already
There is no licensed vaccine against HIV or AIDS. AIDS was first clinically observed in 1981 in the United States, so they couldn't even have been working on a vaccine for 40 years.
There is no licensed vaccine against HIV or AIDS. AIDS was first clinically observed in 1981 in the United States, so they couldn't even have been working on a vaccine for 40 years.
I think it is one of the harder ones to do. There are questionable responses to treatment curing it, but nothing clinical yet.
I think it is one of the harder ones to do. There are questionable responses to treatment curing it, but nothing clinical yet.
One of the harder ones? No, you mean one of the more recent ones. Back in the day they would have CUREDâ„¢ HIV or died trying. Now they come up with 'regimens' and call it good. And why not, if you can make Billions on half assed regimens, why bust your balls on a CURE? When insulin was discovered the inventors voluntarily declined patent protection. That didn't last of course and it is definitely patented and sold for profit. Although the making of it is down to a science, the cost increases year over year and it is now in the unaffordable category. Middle Class Americans are selling Plasma to afford their insulin. Middle Class Americans are (were) going to Mexico to buy affordable Insulin. Middle Class Americans are dying because they cannot afford Insulin. And y'all's think they are going to give Covid-19 vaccine away ... sacre bleu.
One of the harder ones? No, you mean one of the more recent ones. Back in the day they would have CUREDâ„¢ HIV or died trying. Now they come up with 'regimens' and call it good. And why not, if you can make Billions on half assed regimens, why bust your balls on a CURE? When insulin was discovered the inventors voluntarily declined patent protection. That didn't last of course and it is definitely patented and sold for profit. Although the making of it is down to a science, the cost increases year over year and it is now in the unaffordable category. Middle Class Americans are selling Plasma to afford their insulin. Middle Class Americans are (were) going to Mexico to buy affordable Insulin. Middle Class Americans are dying because they cannot afford Insulin. And y'all's think they are going to give Covid-19 vaccine away ... sacre bleu.
I think because it is a pandemic, it will. There will be government and political pressure to make it have a lower price. Plus as it is seeming like Covid-19 will need to be a yearly vaccine/booster.
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That's why your aunt's research and intellectual property had to be deep sixed. NPP. I've said too much already 
