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Canada, Western Europe and Australia are very conservative when it comes to enforcing immigration laws. That is why they have nothing like the illegal alien fiasco that we have in the United States.
This also affords these countries the luxury of being liberal about almost everything else.
You would be wrong .I lived in the EU as a local for years and most of the countries do have issues with illegal aliens . Everyday . Its just that the people are not a harsh minded as they are here . -
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Originally Posted by JonathanLB
Uhh yeah I’d say the left is the most authoritarian bunch. See: stay at home orders and violation of the Constitution / Bill of Rights constantly. Any political party taking an extreme stance goes authoritarian. The Nazis weren’t hard right, they were hard left - the National Socialist Party. Though the liberals would love to say they were extreme right, that’s their bias - the organization literally called themselves socialists. It’s the same as how liberals love to tell us that in the past the democrats were republicans, because they find it awkward that democrats were in the pro slavery camp.
LOL you should ask my dutch husband about that - his grandparents were issued a stay at home order by them of quite a different magnitude plus the daily searches of the inside of their home .
The Nazi's were violent fascists , extreme conserves . Period .
You don't even know the meaning of having your constitutional rights violated .
You would be wrong .I lived in the EU as a local for years and most of the countries do have issues with illegal aliens . Everyday . Its just that the people are not a harsh minded as they are here .
Do those countries have tens of millions of illegal aliens including anchor babies? Do you have to press "2" on your phone to accommodate illegal aliens? Somehow, I don't think so.
Do those countries have tens of millions of illegal aliens including anchor babies? Do you have to press "2" on your phone to accommodate illegal aliens? Somehow, I don't think so.
This is about actual numbers.
In Europe, everyone accepts the idea that the US are much more strict when it comes to illegal immigration.
You can press "2", it doesn't mean those other languages are for illegal aliens, but rather legal aliens too, you know? It shouldn't mean more than that.
Anchor babies are only possible if you allow the citizenship to be given when born in a country. That's not the case in most countries in Europe as far as I know. But they have other rules. Such as if you stay 5 years as a child before the age of 18, you're granted the possibility to get the citizenship, etc... so different rules but similar issues.
Immigration is a big topic in Europe too. I think the right word to use is more "integration". Most countries in Europe insist on integration rather than a melting pot. But either way, it's a difficult process that takes time. Bear in mind that in Europe, at least Western Europe, illegal immigration or not, human rights is considered to be above anything else. That includes the right to be treated as humanly as possible. That means that an authority like ICE can't just come and deport you. The process is long and controlled, at least until very recently. Also, in Europe, openly being against illegal immigration, or even immigration, puts you into the extreme right bucket politically. Once you're there, people usually despise you.
Yes, nationalistic views are gaining traction in all major countries. But again, I still think it's only going to be a minority because most Europeans wouldn't want to go back into any of the darkest times of their History. People forget, but do they really do? I wonder.
Anyway, stop complaining about illegal immigration in the US. You don't hear people being afraid to be caught in Western Europe. Cause their rights are basically protected. The few that get deported exist, but in numbers, they are nothing. In the US, every single illegal immigrant is afraid of being caught by ICE. That should tell you the difference.
It would interesting to look at countries that very conservative. Especially looking at those countries that very few liberals, especially liberals in power. Unlike USA, countries without a large liberal in government would have a free hand in implementing conservative governmental and social policies. Possibly, could achieve a must more cohesive and orderly society based on conservative principles.
One of the countries that come to my mind is Russia, though might not be most conservative. It fairly cohesive and appear unified. It looks socially fairly conservative and embraces traditional religious views. Though to foreigners, like Americans, their foreign actions may be taken negatively it seems like Russian citizens overwhelmingly prefer Russia projection of power and are very nationalistic.
Does Russia look like one of the most conservative countries to you all? What other countries would consider more conservative without much if any liberal influences?
I could do a better job coming up with a country if you were to define, in detail what you mean by "conservative principles".
Some people would think of "conservative" in a social sense like opposing gay rights, gay marriage, frowning on people who live out-of-wedlock having children, opposing access to birth control, and opposing abortion.
Other people might define "conservative" more in terms of low taxes, a government with very limited power and authority, no spending on things like social security, medical care, aid to poor families, aid to farmers and aid to businesses experiencing financial distress, etc. The key here is a government that favors business over labor and consumers.
I can think of a third way of defining it too: A sort of very nationalistic form of government. Such a government would have strict controls on immigration, who gets to become a citizen, laws that punish desecrating the flag, and huge spending on the military.
I can think of a third way of defining it too: A sort of very nationalistic form of government. Such a government would have strict controls on immigration, who gets to become a citizen, laws that punish desecrating the flag, and huge spending on the military.
Both liberal and conservative government use patriotism to achieve their goals
Chavez and Maduro used it in Venezuela
In reality, authoritarian governments (both liberal and conservative) push for extreme nationalism
What I read in a college class to try and simplify political alignments, was that there are not 2, but 4 positions that are meaningful to consider. And each is a different combination of whether the government interferes MORE or LESS with two factors, social behavior & activity...and the economy.
Socialism/communism ~ High degree of government interference in both. The government might be very nationalistic or demand a particular religion, national identity or ideology. Also highly involved in regulating economic activity. People think of the high degree of taxation and wealth redistribution as "socialism" but it's not only that, it's about people being expected to think of the country first, not their own individualism, with the assumption that the nation will provide for them if they are good citizens. Power concentrated most at the top, central, federal government.
Conservatism ~ The government is theoretically hands-off with the economic activity with lower taxes, less regulation, and less interference with wealth accumulation. But still rates high on social control, pushing a particular, usually traditionalistic ideology on the people and expecting them to conform to a national identity.
Liberalism ~ The opposite, again "in theory", where there is more regulation and interference in business, more taxation and wealth redistribution, but the people have more freedom to hold individualistic social behaviors and beliefs and are expected to tolerate diversity as such. No serious expectation to conform to a national identity, worship one religion, speak one language, follow set traditions.
Libertarianism ~ Opposite the socialism/communism (I've seen diagrams labeled either way) corner, the libertarian would be for the government being very hands off in both respects, with its power as limited as possible to still provide basic necessary infrastructure, with power and control also diminishing sharply the further one gets towards the top/federal/central government. Little government interference with either the ideologies and social behavior of the people, OR with regulating business, taxing, or redistributing wealth.
The problem with all of this, and with America's two party system...well ONE problem out of many, I'm sure...is that our parties and the people in them don't necessarily stand for, or actually DO any of those things. They do whatever is good for them at the time. And the team sports mentality of it all is detrimental to our society.
And note that in American history, Republican was not always synonymous with conservative nor Democrat with liberal. There WAS a shift, as has been pointed out in this thread. It's a pretty well known fact.
Do those countries have tens of millions of illegal aliens including anchor babies? Do you have to press "2" on your phone to accommodate illegal aliens? Somehow, I don't think so.
This is about actual numbers.
Yes actually some do . But then we do not have "tens of millions".. so .. you need to get our of your conserve paranoia . MOST countries speak more than one language regardless. Our country is one of the few that seemingly encourages only one language . Very slow and behind the rest of the world ...
The dutch learn three languages starting in 4th grade , my friends in Belgium were required to learn 4 in school , they could pick which ones but it had to be four . Our 18 yr old daughter knows four . It really wont hurt you to be bilingual unless you simply are not intelligent enough to do so .
Yes actually some do . But then we do not have "tens of millions".. so .. you need to get our of your conserve paranoia . MOST countries speak more than one language regardless. Our country is one of the few that seemingly encourages only one language . Very slow and behind the rest of the world ...
The dutch learn three languages starting in 4th grade , my friends in Belgium were required to learn 4 in school , they could pick which ones but it had to be four . Our 18 yr old daughter knows four . It really wont hurt you to be bilingual unless you simply are not intelligent enough to do so .
I do believe that is the biggest problem with America. It does not want the lower and second class ‘citizens’ to speak more than one language because it must stay divided by intelligence. It is said that most Americans, especially those of us descended from slavery, are not smart and will only defile any language we learn. Another reason is there are just too many people with too many differences to allow speaking different languages without even greater divisions and chaos in America. So America will stay behind the rest of the world because of the population it chose to have. Just another shot in the foot.
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