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There are different kinds of liberal and conservative. Denmark with its welfare and socialized health care is more libertarian when it comes to business. There are fewer regulations to contend with when starting a business than in the U.S.
Russia is "conservative," but good luck starting a business there freely.
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In my observation, YouTube and Facebook are actively cracking down on conservative content, like anti-quarantine protests and proofs that Rona dangers are overblown and overhyped. They delete those posts like it's going out of style. All while allowing liberal content, even the radical variety, to remain completely untouched. I saw it happen, so I know. The owners being liberal explains a lot.
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Youtube has made the careers of conservatives like Ben Shapiro. Mark Zuckerberg is not a liberal, they hate him.
There are different kinds of liberal and conservative. Denmark with its welfare and socialized health care is more libertarian when it comes to business. There are fewer regulations to contend with when starting a business than in the U.S.
Russia is "conservative," but good luck starting a business there freely.
You are kidding, right?
Any Russian citizen can start business there much easier and cheaper than US folks here.
Example: IB (similar to d.b.a here) - 3 days to open, free if applied online, govt fee 600rub (~$9) if applied in physical office; income tax - 4% if you actually produce something, 6% if you just speculate, err, I mean trade (buy/sell);
Small LLC (less than 150 employees) - 5 days, govt fee 10000 rub (~$139); income tax 9%.
Big LLC - 7 days, income tax 13%.
Any foreign citizen to open business in Russia is a different story though.
You are kidding, right?
Any Russian citizen can start business there much easier and cheaper than US folks here.
Example: IB (similar to d.b.a here) - 3 days to open, free if applied online, govt fee 600rub (~$9) if applied in physical office; income tax - 4% if you actually produce something, 6% if you just speculate, err, I mean trade (buy/sell);
Small LLC (less than 150 employees) - 5 days, govt fee 10000 rub (~$139); income tax 9%.
Big LLC - 7 days, income tax 13%.
Any foreign citizen to open business in Russia is a different story though.
Then why isn't Russia more prosperous than the U.S. or Denmark? If regulations are what hold back business, why does Russia not have the best businesses in the world?
The government wasn't necessarily what I was referring to.
Then why isn't Russia more prosperous than the U.S. or Denmark? If regulations are what hold back business, why does Russia not have the best businesses in the world?
The government wasn't necessarily what I was referring to.
First of all, it depends on what you define as "prosperous". Here is an example:
Say, in US you get salary as, say, $2000/mo, but have to pay $1000 for health insurance plus $700 for apartment; this leaves you with $300/mo for food/clothes/whatever. Say, in Russia you are getting, say, $500/mo, but healthcare is free and your (comparable) housing is $100/mo; this also leaves you with $300/mo for food/clothes/whatever. So, does it mean, these incomes are basically the same? No. For example, food will be much cheaper in Russia (like 5 times), but, say, if you want Mercedes, it'll be ~30% more expensive. Etc, etc.
And that I tackled only two variables - health and housing; as you understand, there are way more of those variables.
What I'm trying to say, it is almost impossible to compare "prosperity" in two countries, unless you dive deep into details and yet still you would have to generalize a lot - to the point when it's almost meaningless.
If we talk in general, Russia has just started more or less to get on track only about 10 years ago. It was devastated by oligarchy (that were selling SU leftovers left and right for peanuts) for about 20 years since the collapse of SU. Taking it's current state, it's quite impressive for ~10 years of resurrection.
As for the business, there are 3 parts of it.
First of all, those 20 years has shown to Russia that unregulated (and unpatriotic, to say it openly) capitalism is a direct road to hell. On another hand, totally regulated socialism is not that great either - people just get too lazy and relaxed. So, what Russia did - it followed model of South Korea and Japan with the mix of SU. The idea is very simple: the big chunk of the economy (~30-40%) is govt-owned or govt-backed giant corporations. Not the biggest salaries there, but stable as a rock, and provide a backbone for everybody and everything else (defense, oil/gas, finance, space, construction, nuclear, etc). The next big chunk is "patriotic big money", sort of like "chaebols" in South Korea. These are ~10 huge private corporations that got first onto govt contracts in exchange for being totally loyal to Russia. That contributes to another ~35-45% of the economy. Bigger salaries, but less stable and more demanding. And finally, the last part is small business. People are somewhat reluctant to start those due to a long history of misfortunes, plus 70 years of easy living in SU made people very relaxed. So govt right now is literally jumping out of pants to make life of small business as easy as possible.
Overall this model seems like working quite well - economy grows without compromising social security.
It would interesting to look at countries that very conservative. Especially looking at those countries that very few liberals, especially liberals in power. Unlike USA, countries without a large liberal in government would have a free hand in implementing conservative governmental and social policies. Possibly, could achieve a must more cohesive and orderly society based on conservative principles.
One of the countries that come to my mind is Russia, though might not be most conservative. It fairly cohesive and appear unified. It looks socially fairly conservative and embraces traditional religious views. Though to foreigners, like Americans, their foreign actions may be taken negatively it seems like Russian citizens overwhelmingly prefer Russia projection of power and are very nationalistic.
Does Russia look like one of the most conservative countries to you all? What other countries would consider more conservative without much if any liberal influences?
Depends on how you define conservative. It still operates pretty much on the same socialist economy before, with a few differences and adjustments. But single motherhood is supported, abortion is on demand, the President at least pretends to be Christian, but was atheist in his previous incarnation as a KGB agent, so I don't find his sudden conversation credible. What else do you need to know?
Conservative: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Brunei, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Oman, Bhutan, Vatican City. Still find it interesting?
Depends on how you define conservative. It still operates pretty much on the same socialist economy before, with a few differences and adjustments. But single motherhood is supported, abortion is on demand, the President at least pretends to be Christian, but was atheist in his previous incarnation as a KGB agent, so I don't find his sudden conversation credible. What else do you need to know?
Conservative: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Brunei, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Oman, Bhutan, Vatican City. Still find it interesting?
Do you need more? There are more.
Any nation that is conservative is simply a nation following along its traditional path but with moderate changes over time rather than sudden changes. The entire approach concept of conservative politics is being skeptical and cautious of change. A liberal or progressive approach is viewed with caution because there is little to no historical support that such an approach would produce better results. That is why Thomas Sowell said that civilization is like a thin crust over a volcano and liberals are picking at it.
The poster who mentioned Singapore gave a good example. A conservative nation like Singapore believes in itself and its principles. That is why it has the highest level of per capita income and that is why anyone who breaks the law is severely punished. Civility is considered a virtue and as such they do not tolerate disrespect towards leaders even though there might be disagreement. As such, uncouth degenerates in the free world could learn a lot from Singapore.
It would interesting to look at countries that very conservative. Especially looking at those countries that very few liberals, especially liberals in power. Unlike USA, countries without a large liberal in government would have a free hand in implementing conservative governmental and social policies. Possibly, could achieve a must more cohesive and orderly society based on conservative principles.
One of the countries that come to my mind is Russia, though might not be most conservative. It fairly cohesive and appear unified. It looks socially fairly conservative and embraces traditional religious views. Though to foreigners, like Americans, their foreign actions may be taken negatively it seems like Russian citizens overwhelmingly prefer Russia projection of power and are very nationalistic.
Does Russia look like one of the most conservative countries to you all? What other countries would consider more conservative without much if any liberal influences?
Everywhere outside of the US, Canada and Western Europe are conservative. That is the un-PC truth.
There are many conservative countries as in socially-religiously conservative, or ones that don't allow much freedom of speech. Much of Africa comes to mind - Morocco, Mauritania, etc.. if you "act out" or "speak up" you are in jail. Russia not much different. If you're LGBT and not in certain parts of Moscow the townspeople will beat you up. I don't think that's what the OP means, though, although for most of the world, that's what "conservative" means.
In the U.S. conservative means something poltiically loaded - more "movement" conservatism, particularly in a Libertarian sense.
There are no libertarian countries. Singapore and Switzerland probably come the closest.
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