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Old 06-01-2020, 08:38 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Any nation that is conservative is simply a nation following along its traditional path but with moderate changes over time rather than sudden changes. The entire approach concept of conservative politics is being skeptical and cautious of change. A liberal or progressive approach is viewed with caution because there is little to no historical support that such an approach would produce better results. That is why Thomas Sowell said that civilization is like a thin crust over a volcano and liberals are picking at it.

The poster who mentioned Singapore gave a good example. A conservative nation like Singapore believes in itself and its principles. That is why it has the highest level of per capita income and that is why anyone who breaks the law is severely punished. Civility is considered a virtue and as such they do not tolerate disrespect towards leaders even though there might be disagreement. As such, uncouth degenerates in the free world could learn a lot from Singapore.
Um, ok? Let's give your theory a dry run.
Russia believes in itself and its principles. That is why it has the highest level ...of...per capita... in...

Are you sure you're on the right track, there? I think we need a different definition of "conservative" vs. "liberal". Or different assumptions attached to "conservative". Just because a country's conservative, doesn't mean it automatically will be economically successful.



 
Old 06-01-2020, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Crook County, Hellinois
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There are no libertarian countries. Singapore and Switzerland probably come the closest.
Singapore is actually more like a dictatorship than a conservative country in the Western sense, not unlike China. I mean, really, you can't even buy chewing gum? Switzerland, definitely; it has widespread gun ownership, traditional values, and strict immigration laws, but also American-style freedoms of speech and press.

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Old 06-02-2020, 05:29 AM
 
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How is Singapore libertarian, when you can't even spit in the street without getting in trouble
 
Old 06-02-2020, 05:32 AM
 
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Any nation that is conservative is simply a nation following along its traditional path but with moderate changes over time rather than sudden changes. The entire approach concept of conservative politics is being skeptical and cautious of change. A liberal or progressive approach is viewed with caution because there is little to no historical support that such an approach would produce better results. That is why Thomas Sowell said that civilization is like a thin crust over a volcano and liberals are picking at it.
Your comment assumes that everything is fine and any change is a gamble to the status quo

Liberals promote changes/improvements where society needs it .... in the US, it would be the healthcare systems, cost of college, transportation (rail systems), etc.
conservatives are anti-change and always claim that "back in the day things were better", well, the history books I've read disagree with that, things were better only if you were part of the privileged class (religion, color, male, etc.).

You don't need historical support to know that laws that only target X group of people is wrong .... conservatives have a long history of passing laws targeting groups of people.
 
Old 06-02-2020, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Crook County, Hellinois
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Liberals promote changes/improvements where society needs it .... in the US, it would be the healthcare systems, cost of college, transportation (rail systems), etc.
conservatives are anti-change and always claim that "back in the day things were better", well, the history books I've read disagree with that, things were better only if you were part of the privileged class (religion, color, male, etc.)
Not true! Liberalism benefits only two kinds of people: the super-elite, like Anthony Fauci and George Soros, and the lumpenproletariat, like the Antifa looters. Your working- and middle-class Americans are left holding the bag for both.
 
Old 06-02-2020, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Hawaii/Alabama
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I can't believe in 2020, someone who has had time to learn and understand History can write such BS. It is a proven fact that Nazism was only "Socialist" by name, which means nothing. Do you think the People's Republic of China is democratic and for the people? So you know better, don't you?
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Let's not forget the Deutsche Demokratische Republik. Despite the "democratic" part in the name East Germany was not very "liberal" or democratic was it?
 
Old 06-02-2020, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Not true! Liberalism benefits only two kinds of people: the super-elite, like Anthony Fauci and George Soros, and the lumpenproletariat, like the Antifa looters. Your working- and middle-class Americans are left holding the bag for both.
I like how Dr. Fauci and Antifa looters somehow have shared interests. That's news to me!
 
Old 06-02-2020, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Crook County, Hellinois
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I like how Dr. Fauci and Antifa looters somehow have shared interests. That's news to me!
Both are looking to transfer wealth from hardworking Americans to themselves, by leveraging a nationwide crisis for political and personal gain. One deposits the money into their Cayman Islands bank account, the other stuffs the money into their mattress. I'll let you figure out who does which.

To get the thread somewhat back on topic, if America were more conservative, there would be no Antifa looters.
 
Old 06-03-2020, 07:22 AM
 
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Not true! Liberalism benefits only two kinds of people: the super-elite, like Anthony Fauci and George Soros, and the lumpenproletariat, like the Antifa looters. Your working- and middle-class Americans are left holding the bag for both.
Liberals support affordable higher education and affordable health care that help the middle class
Conservatives support privatization of higher education and health care that help rich people get richer
 
Old 06-03-2020, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Crook County, Hellinois
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Liberals support affordable higher education and affordable health care that help the middle class
Conservatives support privatization of higher education and health care that help rich people get richer
I'd rather let rich have some extra money, than be quarantined because of an overblown Beer Flu bug.
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