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Old 07-02-2022, 11:13 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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............As what the viewers can see on the Map, there is a problem with the supply connections. Almost close to a fatal monopoly. Low cost, Without much Pollution, yet the amount is to questionable sources. Civilization requires wide variety of energy/fuel/electricity/consumable materials to the household. Can't only depend on just one form. Vast Decentralization of such basic essential convenient commodities has to happen quickly!
It's not clear to me what you are saying.
How can there be "vast decentralization" of such a thing as gas? It is located in some areas and not available in others.
My own feeling - developed from reading several books and discussions - is that humanity itself will migrate toward the areas where energy and food ( and therefore employment and comfort) are more readily available.
We humans have expanded into areas where it is difficult to live and now that the population will begin to shrink, we will reverse the trend. The temperate climates with gas and oil will be the winners. Harsh climates where food and fuel are scarce will be the losers.
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Old 07-03-2022, 10:53 AM
 
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Not only is natural gas a relatively clean burning fuel, it can also be used as feedstock for many other products.


Found: The 'holy grail of catalysis'—turning methane into methanol under ambient conditions using light


Now that there is potentially a low-cost, low-emissions way to convert methane to methanol the importance of natural gas will only grow.
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Old 07-03-2022, 11:51 AM
 
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Waste management runs their trucks on natural gas, why haven't we done this for personal vehicles?.
As solid state batteries require continued improvement, for them to off-set the fossil fuel generated electricity used to power them.
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Old 07-03-2022, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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the e(emission)Grid, is only partly correct, IMO.
The Western Region States and Western Canada Power Intertie (Western Electricity Coordinating Council) is huge and plays a big part of what power resources and transmission assets are in use.
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Old 07-03-2022, 02:27 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Waste management runs their trucks on natural gas, why haven't we done this for personal vehicles?.
As solid state batteries require continued improvement, for them to off-set the fossil fuel generated electricity used to power them.
That's actually a good question.
You really don't want a natural gas powered vehicle in your garage if the house catches fire; neither does the fire department.
There is the problem of refueling rapidly. If you refuel quickly the natural gas heats up and expands, so you really don't get much in your tank.
To get a useful amount of fuel into a reasonable sized tank you have to cool natural gas into a liquid state. Read more about that, here.
They tried using Liquified Natural Gas in 18 wheelers, but never got a lot of interest. That's not simple, either. The diesel engines cannot be modified to use natural gas; it takes a whole 'nother engine, almost, with different compression ratios, different injectors, and a new way of lubricating the cylinder walls. It's complicated.
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Old 07-03-2022, 06:25 PM
 
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The Western Region States and Western Canada Power Intertie (Western Electricity Coordinating Council) is huge and plays a big part of what power resources and transmission assets are in use.


The US portion of the WECC has only three nuclear power plants (6 generators) and the only one in California, Diablo Canyon is going to be shut down.
  • Diablo Canyon 1 License Expires: 11/02/2024
  • Diablo Canyon 2 License Expires: 08/26/2025
  • Palo Verde 1 License Expires: 06/01/2045
  • Palo Verde 2 License Expires: 04/24/2046
  • Palo Verde 3 License Expires: 11/25/2047
  • Columbia Generating Station: License Expires: 12/20/2043

In the year 2020 the nation US generated an average electricity of 1,007 kWh per person per month.

In state generation of states in the WECC for 2020 per month per person varied considerably. Obviously California depends on electricity imported from other states to meet consumption. In the heat wave of the summer of 2020, multiple states were affected and California had to start rolling blackouts for the first time in two decades.
  1. CA 407
  2. CO 776
  3. ID 801
  4. UT 964
  5. NV 1,083
  6. OR 1,251
  7. WA 1,255
  8. AZ 1,274
  9. NM 1,338
  10. MT 1,795
  11. WY 6,069

Wyoming has massive coal reserves and clearly exports a lot of electricity to Denver (see how low production is in Colorado).
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Old 07-04-2022, 06:14 AM
 
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That's actually a good question.
You really don't want a natural gas powered vehicle in your garage if the house catches fire; neither does the fire department.

This isn't necessary, it can be offered at filling stations; as they have done for years in Russia.
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Old 07-04-2022, 08:49 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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This isn't necessary, it can be offered at filling stations; as they have done for years in Russia.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I am saying is, a car with a tank full of natural gas is an explosion hazard during a fire. For that same reason carrying filled propane canisters into a business is illegal in most areas.
Gasoline fuel tanks don't explode the way they show on TV.
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Old 07-04-2022, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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It would be very interesting if each state could only consume energy it produced within its own state.

With no nuclear, coal, or natural gas, what would California do to produce electricity for its 40 million residents?

45% of California's energy production is from natural gas, and 12% is from nuclear power. That's almost 60%.

California imports as much electricity as it generates from all renewables combined. California is becoming dependent on energy produced in other states. If I am selling power to CA, I am going to price gouge the hell out of them when they have not other option but to pay.
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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It would be very interesting if each state could only consume energy it produced within its own state.

With no nuclear, coal, or natural gas, what would California do to produce electricity for its 40 million residents?

45% of California's energy production is from natural gas, and 12% is from nuclear power. That's almost 60%.

California imports as much electricity as it generates from all renewables combined. California is becoming dependent on energy produced in other states. If I am selling power to CA, I am going to price gouge the hell out of them when they have not other option but to pay.
Well that's nice of you. Nothing like the 4th of July to bring out the American spirit of price gouging...

But seriously, yeah, California needs more nuclear power generation in its own borders, as do most states.

We could solve most of our energy and environmental needs with safe nuclear plants. But we can't do that, for some totally irrational reason. We have the technology to split the atom, and yet we still dig up and burn all this oil and crap that's bad for our environment and could wreck our planet. This is not a smart country.
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