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I am not aware of any sensible position that secession was not allowed. There is really no cogent argument it was forbidden.
So what?
They lost. And the winners got to set the precedent.
Given our tightly integrated federal system that is not going to change.
It is not what the founders intended but it is what it is...
Currently it may be that way. I think if the country gets divided enough it may start splitting up. And I think we're approaching that. The federal government is weaker and more vulnerable than most think, if the states turn against it.
Only if Washington steers us to a point of economic collapse, will you see any rebellion among the states. I really dont think there is enough difference between dems and pubs, to seperate along those lines. We made it thru the 2000 election without a shot fired.
I favor more power to the states to legislate as they please, supreme court be damned. Immigraton policy, abortion, affirmative action, gay marriage, oil drilling, nuclear power, prayer in schools, let the states decide. Let each state interprete the constitution its own way, and we will see what diversity is all about. Yes, people may have to move around to find their utopia, but it might be worth it.
If we did divided, I wonder what would happen to Omaha, our population is almost perfectly divided 50/50 between Conservatives and Liberals, what nation would we go to? And how would you choose which nation you went to? Voting?
Because the scales of most states tip one way or the other doesn't mean there aren't plenty of the other side residing there. There would have to be mass exodus from most states one way or the other to create a divided territory.
I don't see that happening.
In addition, when the chips are down, we are all American (well, except for the illegals). When the call goes out, we work shoulder to shoulder and put differences aside, whether it be locally, statewide, or nationally. I can't see either side wanting to give that up.
If we did divided, I wonder what would happen to Omaha, our population is almost perfectly divided 50/50 between Conservatives and Liberals, what nation would we go to? And how would you choose which nation you went to? Voting?
Only if Washington steers us to a point of economic collapse, will you see any rebellion among the states. I really dont think there is enough difference between dems and pubs, to seperate along those lines. We made it thru the 2000 election without a shot fired.
I favor more power to the states to legislate as they please, supreme court be damned. Immigraton policy, abortion, affirmative action, gay marriage, oil drilling, nuclear power, prayer in schools, let the states decide. Let each state interprete the constitution its own way, and we will see what diversity is all about. Yes, people may have to move around to find their utopia, but it might be worth it.
that was all doomed by the interstate commerce decisions. And by now the federal inertia is so strong that no one stands against it.
Short of a court decision that legislation compelling state performance using any mechanism is illegal I can't see the states getting far from the federal fold on any issue.
LOL, Omaha and Las Vegas as the two Switzerlands. One place serves a great steak--the other you can play for high stakes. Something for everyone, maybe?
I have to wonder what would happen to "red" individuals who happen to live in "blue" states (and vice versa). Would there be a major population shift as people chose new places to live?
For example, the most conservative church I ever belonged to was in Palos Verdes, California (south of Los Angeles). I can't imagine any of the people I knew there wanting to secede. They certainly wouldn't want to live in a "blue" country... but would that be enough to make people move their homes, families and businesses? More likely they would just develop a "red underground" and secretly work to change things back to the way they were before.
And I would be in the odd position of supporting this underground movement, even though I am most definitely a democrat. Why? Because I like living in a diverse country, and that includes the diversity of having "red" and "blue" people. Even if that means the other side gets to be in charge from time to time.
Sounds like the socialist nonsense from Quebec. Oh lets seperate from Canada. Oh wait, we can't because then we lose the federal money that helps prop up our social entitlement spending. We can't afford these programs on our own & we haven't hoodwinked the other provinces to give us money after we seperate. Oh boo-hoo, we can't seperate.
I know some/many? Republicans dis-liked Clinton. But I don't recall such pure hatred like I see from the left towards Bush. Maybe if Clinton had us in a war, the same sentiments would exist. Who knows. I may not like some of the presidents I've experienced and I have freedom of speech to express it, but I would not expend so much energy towrds hating the leader of our country regardless of party. I just don't understand it. What happened to overcoming differences and finding compromises to move forward?
LOL, Omaha and Las Vegas as the two Switzerlands. One place serves a great steak--the other you can play for high stakes. Something for everyone, maybe?
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I have to wonder what would happen to "red" individuals who happen to live in "blue" states (and vice versa). Would there be a major population shift as people chose new places to live?
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Like I said, mass exodus..
....More likely they would just develop a "red underground" and secretly work to change things back to the way they were before.
And I would be in the odd position of supporting this underground movement, even though I am most definitely a democrat. Why? Because I like living in a diverse country, and that includes the diversity of having "red" and "blue" people. Even if that means the other side gets to be in charge from time to time.
The other side gets to be in charge, I like that.
And where would those of us go who are not on the fence exactly, but are not so narrow minded as to think EITHER way was the only solution? I think there are times when what is necessary is the conservative point of view exercised. Then there are aspects of the liberal point of view that are invaluable at times for some things. I'm not rigid in my view.
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