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Old 05-16-2009, 07:22 AM
 
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Seems like all companies are laying off workers and closing plants. Why not the federal government? After all, they had a pretty bad year too. The federal government caused much of the economic mess we are in.

I say we lay off one-third of our federal bureaucrats. It would lighten our tax burden. And besides, there are at least that many lazy federal bureaucrats who aren’t really doing much to earn their salaries.

Is there any reason why federal bureaucrats should have guaranteed jobs for life when the rest of the U.S. suffers?
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:46 AM
 
Location: MD
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Only one third?

Don't forget their retirement package. Growing up and living in the DC area I have many friends and neighbors who were career fedreal civil servants. All of them are retiring very comfortably in their mid to late fifties. The government invested their retirement funds and didn't spend the money like they did with Social Security. Since the rest of us paid their salary and retirement why do we have to work until 67 or 70 or forever when they have been protected? As far as the line that they're underpaid compared to the private sector - that's complete BS based on my experience.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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All we need to do is abolish the stupid Calvinist idea that survival is a reward for work and work (and therefore survival) is rationed to the worthy.

Give everybody what they need to live on. Those who choose to work receive a bonus for their contribution. If there is a temporary shortage of work, they still get survival, but not the bonus. The number of people who desire goods and services will gladly perform the work necessary to both produce them and afford them.

Work will then be a casual thing that people do in order to provide extra luxuries, rather than the raison-d'etre for life on earth.

We've created a society of beggars. Will work for bread. Please, sir, can you spare a job? Give them bread, and let them work if they want cake. Feed us all. When there is work to be done, we will do it.

The citizens who have created a wealthy and productive nation deserve more than to grovel before the feet of the tycoons begging for a job.

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Old 05-16-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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Who is going to provide the public service to the community if they are laid off? If they did not provide a needed service to society in the first place what have they been doing while employed? Why were they ever hired in the first place?
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Old 05-16-2009, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The job of most of them is to smash down the dignity of the citizenry. To make people feel ashamed to be petitioning their government for redress. To make people feel guilty about applying for a drivers license renewal.

Issue drivers licenses for life (who forgets how to drive?), give cars a lifetime number plate for identification, and send the DMV workers home.

Send home the Welfare Department workers whose job is to humilate the poor and hapless. Have one person sitting at a table with a box of $100 bills. When somebody comes in and says I'm a little short of cash, give them some. Why do they have to be browbeaten, and beg for a tiny share of our fabulous opulence, and create mountains of wasteful paperwork?


Less than half the people employed by school boards in the USA are teachers. Send home everybody who is not a teacher, except a clerk in the office to answer the phones and a janitor to clear stopped up toilets.

How would they live, then? Keep on mailing them their salary at home, which we can now afford to do because we don't have them coming to expensive office buildings every morning and turning lights on and wasting resources and upgrading their computer software. Reduce their salary by a little bit, to account for the fact that they don't have to waste gas driving to the office anymore.

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Old 05-16-2009, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Monroe, Louisiana
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The job of most of them is to smash down the dignity of the citizenry. To make people feel ashamed to be petitioning their government for redress. To make people feel guilty about applying for a drivers license renewal.

Issue drivers licenses for life (who forgets how to drive?), give cars a lifetime number plate for identification, and send the DMV workers home.

Send home the Welfare Department workers whose job is to humilate the poor and hapless. Have one person sitting at a table with a box of $100 bills. When somebody comes in and says I'm a little short of cash, give them some. Why do they have to be browbeaten, and beg for a tiny share of our fabulous opulence, and create mountains of wasteful paperwork?


Less than half the people employed by school boards in the USA are teachers. Send home everybody who is not a teacher, except a clerk in the office to answer the phones and a janitor to clear stopped up toilets.

How would they live, then? Keep on mailing them their salary at home, which we can now afford to do because we don't have them coming to expensive office buildings every morning and turning lights on and wasting resources and upgrading their computer software. Reduce their salary by a little bit, to account for the fact that they don't have to waste gas driving to the office anymore.
Your post is engaging. I agree with the parts I bolded but I disagree with the parts in italics.

How about eliminating the welfare department and reducing taxes? Also, if you're going to just hand out monies to people, how would it be given fairly? What stops people from being wastes of life and simply living off the **** of other workers?

Paying people to do nothing makes no sense. Why would the janitor feel like he needs to come and clean the school when someone like him sits at home and does nothing? If you're going to continue giving them taxpayer's money-- at least let them do some form of community service!

Your ideas just wouldn't translate into reality. Your welfare office would spark riots and your paid school board would spark unfairness.
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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We are going to give people money and then want to layoff workers. Sounds pretty stupid to me.But I agree that we shpuld give out maney and if needed alyofff goveranmnt employeees. Tyhe problem really is we habe to many give aways to teh public now.
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Who is going to provide the public service to the community if they are laid off? If they did not provide a needed service to society in the first place what have they been doing while employed? Why were they ever hired in the first place?
It's not the job of the Federal government to provide public services to the community. That's the job of the states, counties and cities.

The Federal government never was supposed to play that role. Somehow, over the years, the boundaries of their power have been expanded WAY past what the Constitution was supposed to allow.

We could get rid of 75% of the Federal government's departments, agencies and employees and it'd still be bigger and more intrusive that what it's supposed to be.
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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How about eliminating the welfare department and reducing taxes? . . .
Paying people to do nothing makes no sense. .
That would work for you, because of your narrow single-minded fixation on reducing your own tax liability. I have outlined a number of thoughts that are directed at resolving the large problem, and you have a single-minded reduce-taxes goal, which you direct all your attention to, regardless of how any other consideration would be affected.

I might point out instead that refusing a secure livelihood to people when there is nothing for them to do, also makes no sense. You're the farmer that kills his hungry horse in the fall and then wonders who will plow in the spring. I'd prefer to feed the idle horse all winter in order to have a secure source of labor when I need it.
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It's not the job of the Federal government to provide public services to the community. That's the job of the states, counties and cities.

The Federal government never was supposed to play that role. Somehow, over the years, the boundaries of their power have been expanded WAY past what the Constitution was supposed to allow.

We could get rid of 75% of the Federal government's departments, agencies and employees and it'd still be bigger and more intrusive that what it's supposed to be.
All those federal workers would then have to be employed by state and local entities, to do the same job for a different payroll clerk.. How would that save anything?
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