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From the purely secular human modern viewpoint, what harm does sex between two unmarried consenting adults of opposite sex do? None. Yet God calls it fornication and says it's a sin.
You see, that's our problem, we think we know better than God about right and wrong. It goes back to that tree thing...
God says homosexuality is wrong. He makes the rules.
Not in secular society.
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Given that God created man and woman I find that highly unlikely.
Diety or not, marriage has been, and will probably always remain, a social contract. And in modern times, it is one of the few healthy contracts we have. Why there are some that wish to thwart it, I don't know. It's a vicious position.
Given that God created man and woman I find that highly unlikely.
Prove it.
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We are not in a US court of law. In any case, God's laws come first.
Not in the US, sorry. US Secualr Law comes first, even where marriage is concerned. BTW, I note you refuse to attempt to prove your bible is accurate, infallable, and applies to anyone but Christians.
Might as well throw in "... on a voluntary basis" to.
BTW, I note you refuse to attempt to prove your bible is accurate, infallable, and applies to anyone but Christians.
I'm afraid that attempting that would fall into the "Pearls before swine" category. You don't mean to have a reasonable debate, but only to discredit and demean those that acknowledge our great creator. But I'll try: it's a matter of faith, not proof. I can't "prove" God, and you can't disprove Him. Science fails here. Everyone believes something. Some people believe the truth, and some believe a lie. God is truth.
I cannot believe this. Even if you marry in a church, you still have to go to the marriage license bureau to fill out a certificate. The clergyman who marries you must fill out this form and you need 2 witnesses. If you don't do this, you will not be legally married. Most states today do not recognize common law marriage, or religious marriage alone. When you want to buy a house, send you children to school, get spousal benefits, Social Security, etc., etc., you are not going to be considered married by society, church or no church ceremony.
I'm afraid that attempting that would fall into the "Pearls before swine" category. You don't mean to have a reasonable debate, but only to discredit and demean those that acknowledge our great creator. But I'll try: it's a matter of faith, not proof. I can't "prove" God, and you can't disprove Him. Science fails here. Everyone believes something. Some people believe the truth, and some believe a lie. God is truth.
No, you refuse to debate the matter because you know you have no basis to do so.
You promote putting your religion before US Secular Law without providing ANY substantiation and no foudnation in simple reality.
Law is not based on religion, sorry. And there is a reason for that as well.
You also claim your creator god, and your religion is "truth" as well, again without offering anything in the way of substantiation.
I disagree with your premise that law isn't based on religion, since a lot of religions from different sources forbid the same types of things--like murder.
People already knew that murder was uncool, before the religions came and took their money and repeated that pretty obvious commandment. Which is why 3-year-olds, who know nothing about religion, don't very often murder their baby brother.
Throughout history, the number of people deterred from murder by their religion is probably smaller than the number of people who actually murdered in order to advance the authority or the example of their religion.
So law may very well be based on some religion, but it certainly not based on the Christian religion, or ordained by the Chrisian God, since only three of the ten commandments are codified into US law, and those same three are the law in every country on earth.
And they're the same in every religion also--I'm not saying that they are exclusive to Christianity, only that they are found in every religion. Laws against theft are found in many religions also, for another example.
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