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people form unions they go on strike, they beat them up they kill some put some in jail, but the people push on then laws are implemented. and then they become rights, but the people forget so they dont join unions. then we go backwards and eventually lose our "rights". they eventually end up getting kicked around and their expenses exceed their income and then it starts all over again.
Unfortunately this is yet another example of where Memetics screws the system all over again, degenerating the concept of having and belonging to a Union to a point where the original purpose and well meaning intentions of a having and belonging to a Union to protect worker rights becomes totally lost and further degenerates and perverts those rights. How does it degenerate ??? It's subject to imperfect men and the flaws that go with it. The Dawkinian 'Selfish Gene' (or Memes) takes over and corruption occurs through organized crime/Mafia, corrupt Union Officials, dirty Politicians, workers who no longer have pride in their work or it's quality and still demand more pay and social benefits. Eventually you reach the perverted point we find ourselvs in today where much of the traditional Union controlled industries are basically in the toilette and world governments are pressured to bail them out and keep their flawed scheme afloat a while longer so that those in charge can milk John/Jane Q-Public a little more before the whole thing finally tanks for good.
And the amazing thing is that people will continue to wear blinders and support a sinking ship way of doing things. It's kinda like a sailor who is told to abandon ship because it's been torpedoed, but the sailor argus and insists he never finished swabbing the deck and he wants to clean it up before it goes down. And no amount of so-called evolutionary or mutational algorithms is going to correct or improve anything when it comes to Mankind's flawed system of self rule. Again, turn on any news media outlet and notice the smae continuing downward spiral which infects every facet of human endeavor in every nation. Are'nt Memes wonderful ???
A lot of people love the Wikipedia for a sort of reference point.
By now we should all realize that Wikipedia is not valuable because it is not a proven site established for reference. However, some of the information found on the site displays some nice colors.
Actually I do find many important things in Wikipedia, though I am aware of many of it's falws. The reason I bring it up here is that many of the pseudo-geniuses from the lower swamp of this forum who have morphed up from that virtual pre-biotic cesspool and quite often quote and link to it as a source of infallible information, when back down in the lower swamp their demonized, made fun of, insulted, threw profanities at any religious person who would show a link to Wikipedia to try and explain their position on anything. But they come here and do exactly what they condemed down there. Clearly, they have two different sets of flawed standards when entering any type of intelligent discussion. That's when any topic will morph into unintelligence.
Again, if you back any of them into a corner on this, and like any other vicious wounded preditory animal, they'll bare their contaminated rabid fangs and throw the same insults, filth, vulgarities and cursing that makes up the personality that defines the lower swamp.
I find it remarkable that anyone can state categorically and unequivocally that they know the truth about the creation of the universe and the creator's plan. If there is a God, I bet it's more complicated than that.
That's why in the absence of any intelligent empirical examples of your position and that of your buddies, the only other available explanation is God. Since you admit you do not know for sure any proof of your atheistic position, then your position is therefore faith-based.
That's why in the absence of any intelligent empirical examples of your position and that of your buddies, the only other available explanation is God. Since you admit you do not know for sure any proof of your atheistic position, then your position is therefore faith-based.
Why do you think God is the only explanation for that which cannot be scientifically proved? Before there were empirical explanations for static electricity, the position of your buddies was that lightning was something thrown to earth by an angry God/Zeus/Thor. I have advanced beyond that stage of faith-based causality, to a place of uncertainty and inquiry where your mind apparently cannot follow.
Is your universe so simplistic that its full depth and meaning can be comprehended by a 5-year-old on his knees in his jammies at his bedside? We don't know why your bunny died so God is the only other available explanation?
Why do you think God is the only explanation for that which cannot be scientifically proved?
Information Theory and DNA always deal a crushing blow to Atheism. The usual Fairytale we are all told is that life magically appeared from non-life by means of or the result of physics and chemistry and there was no purpose or intelligence behind it, only blind pointless indifference and then random mutation, but these can never account for the brilliant information encoded inside all DNA.
No one has ever observed the spontaneous creation of an informational code or even any intelligent communications system by means of a purely natural, physical process. So then, by all means, perhaps you can cite us a single example of a naturalistic process of were a brilliant encoded piece of information occurs naturally. But it has to occur outside of the realm of life itself and already existing DNA, it simply has to come from non life, non living matter. Give us just one example, just one.
I DO understand the mind and intent of the Creator ... at least from what he has revealed of himself thru the Bible AND thru deducing from the modern scientific evidences for himself.
Based on this, then you are essentially admitting that your understanding of the Creator is extremely limited. There is no shame in that, because you are in the same boat as the rest of us.....wether we believe in the bible or not.
Information Theory and DNA always deal a crushing blow to Atheism. The usual Fairytale we are all told is that life magically appeared from non-life.
DNA? Life? Are you telling me that DNA was there right from the start, as one of the original building blocks of the universe? Even when the temperature of the earth was a zillion degrees and none of the chemical componenets of DNA could have existed in any but a gaseous state? Or do you think God created an earth that was 72 degrees in the shade? And this absurd hypothesis deals a crushing blow to atheism?
No, the usual Fairytale we are told is that God magically appeared from non-God, and using perfectly human logic and reasoning that is fully comprehensible to even a school child, (including the human attribute of boredom) said in human language "Let there be Bluepacific".
DNA? Life? Are you telling me that DNA was there right from the start, as one of the original building blocks of the universe? Even when the temperature of the earth was a zillion degrees and none of the chemical componenets of DNA could have existed in any but a gaseous state? Or do you think God created an earth that was 72 degrees in the shade? And this absurd hypothesis deals a crushing blow to atheism?
No, the usual Fairytale we are told is that God magically appeared from non-God, and using perfectly human logic and reasoning that is fully comprehensible to even a school child, (including the human attribute of boredom) said in human language "Let there be Bluepacific".
Please, just show us just one example, just one, of how an informational code comes about from non-living matter by nothing more than random chance, physics and chemistry. Posting a rediculous rant for the purpose of side tracking does not answer the question.
All we ask is for you to cite one example. Just one!
Please, just show us just one example, just one, of how an informational code comes about from non-living matter by nothing more than random chance, physics and chemistry. Posting a rediculous rant for the purpose of side tracking does not answer the question.
All we ask is for you to cite one example. Just one!
Please show us one example, just one, of how a God suddenly materialized in a Void. You are the one who contends that you have proof. I never said I did. Show me some proof that it was your personal God, and not some other unknown force, that was created out of nothingness and then created all this.
Random chance can account for a lot of improbable things that you can't even imagine. The chances against winning the Powerball are mind-boggling---but somebody wins every time.
You put two chemicals into a closed environment, add energy to move them around, and sooner or later they will meet. Chance. DNA. Powerball.
Please show us one example, just one, of how a God suddenly materialized in a Void. You are the one who contends that you have proof. I never said I did.
Maybe you should consult the works of Carl Sagan and other scientists who have told us in the beginning there was nothing. Something caused time and space to exist and from the amazing mathematics and precision of our universe, it is clear that blind pointless indifference holds no weight.
When you walk into a dark room and see hundreds of candles lit, then you know someone was there before you. Same with our universe. Again your own scientists are the ones that say the universe started from nothing. The Bible simply agrees with that. As far as the O.P.'s subject of the origin of all rights and wrongs, of which you apparently find an irritating subject, the creator of all of this has the right to set standards. Your right is to reject them for the moment and he gives you that right. You have the right to set any set of standards and principles any way you see fit. I don't see what the problem is there.
I see you still can't site an example of an intelligent code morphing from non-living matter.
It's okay though because no one ever has or ever will.
BTW: Random Chance/evolution = Devolution, Disease, Cancer, Tumors, Death and Extinction
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