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If Las Vegas has comparable rates of child prostitution or human trafficking, compared to 14 or 17 other cities, how does it follow that legal prostitution there contributes to child prostitution or human trafficking? Wouldn't Las Vegas have a higher rate, it there was a causal relationship?
I thought some were asking if legalized prostitution would affect child prostitution. Obviously not.
Besides the links I've provided, I also recall reading something not too long ago correlating the sex industry (anything) with human trafficking (women and children). There was a study done up in Canada, IIRC, involving strip club rings and trafficking.
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Particularly, since Las Vegas has an ambience that would predict a very high rate of all of those kinds of activities, and even legaized prostitution because of exactly that propensity.
1. There are S&M clubs now in NYC. S&M is not illegal.
Do the people who go to clubs pay to have sex with a bleeding woman, or are they there to beat up someone or be beaten up? I've never been to one. That's not my thing. I have been to the Green Door in Vegas, and they were very picky about money not changing hands. You pay to get in, and you pay for drinks. Only employees handle money, and nobody has sex with employees. So although there are people having sex there, nobody is getting paid to do it.
If the "bleeding woman" problem is solved simply by allowing people to pay a fee to get into a building where likeminded people have consensual sex, which may include whipping, then I don't see that there IS a problem at all. That's already legal.
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2. That "pretty gal" is operating in an area where it is illegal, so she can charge what she wants.
She can charge what she wants regardless of legality. This is a capitalist country, after all. Surely you're not suggesting we not only legalize prostitution but also get those darn prices under control.
I've watched a reality show about some brothel in Nevada a few times. Mustang Ranch? Bunny Ranch? Chicken Ranch? Something like that. I believe sex is in the vicinity of $3000 to $5000. Not sure, though.
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3. Neveda has the lowest incidenc of illegal prostitution, and all the baggage that goes with it. Why? Becasue prostitution is legal in most of the state.
Really? Show me, please. Las Vegas is a major tourist destination and is renowned for its casinos. Where there's money, there are hookers--how could there not be? Prostitution is illegal in Vegas, despite the misconception. Walk down the strip and you'll see ads for escorts everywhere. They advertise as escorts or dancers or massage therapists, but they're prostitutes.
Las Vegas has the largest population by far, with about a fifth of the state's total residents living in the city proper. 1.8 million of the state's 2.6 million residents live in the Las Vegas metropolitan area. That's entirely within Clark County, and prostitution is illegal in that county.
It needs to be kept in mind that human trafficking is an international phenomenon, and almost always involves people being transported from one country to another. So the legality of prostitution would be relevant mainly in a discussion of recipient countries of trafficked humans.
In Wikipedia's exhaustive article on Human Trafficking, it is interesting that prostitution is not referenced as one of the many contributing causes of it:
Some causes and facilitators of trafficking include:
* Lack of employment opportunities
* Organized crime
* Regional imbalances
* Economic disparities
* Social discrimination
* Corruption in government
* Political instability
* Armed conflict
* Mass resettlement for large projects without proper Resettlement and Rehabilitation packages.
* Profitability
* Insufficient penalties against traffickers
* Minimal law enforcement on global sex tourism industry
* Legal processes that prosecute victims instead of the traffickers[58]
* Poor international border defence
It needs to be kept in mind that human trafficking is an international phenomenon, and almost always involves people being transported from one country to another. So the legality of prostitution would be relevant only in a discussion of recipient countries of trafficked humans.
In Wikipedia's exhaustive article on Human Trafficking, it is interesting that prostitution is not referenced as one of the many contributing causes of it:
Some causes and facilitators of trafficking include:
* Lack of employment opportunities
* Organized crime
* Regional imbalances
* Economic disparities
* Social discrimination
* Corruption in government
* Political instability
* Armed conflict
* Mass resettlement for large projects without proper Resettlement and Rehabilitation packages.
* Profitability
* Insufficient penalties against traffickers * Minimal law enforcement on global sex tourism industry
* Legal processes that prosecute victims instead of the traffickers[58]
* Poor international border defence
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* Minimal law enforcement on global sex tourism industry
I think it does.
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There is a huge difference between "prostitution" (legal or otherwise) and "sex tourism". Sex tourism, as the term is generally applied, refers to an availability, for rich tourists, of just about any kind of sex that is not available in his home country. Children are generally presumed to be available for the tourists. The "minimal law enforcement" clause in the entry implies that the activity is statuatorily illegal, hence, it is a country where prostitution may not be legal, but sex tourism flourishes anyway. Which falls outside this discussion's parameters of "legal prostitution".
Furthermore, in developed countries where prostitution is legal, the primary trade is domestic, and there is very little if any "sex tourism" where there is legal prostitution. Italy, for example, prostitution is de-facto legal, but few people travel abroad to Italy to avail themselves of prostitution.
In general, these groups believe that sex with children is harmless; some even claim that sexual relations are healthy for children. Their goals include decriminalizing child molestation and lowering the age of consent.
So i guess that would be the next logical step. i can just see it now and someone arguing that prostitution is or has been legal so what difference does it matter. "do you think you're better than a prostitute? they have sex with a lot of people for money or whatever, it doesn't matter to them. rape? what rape? do you think a prostitute feels raped? are you better than a prostitute? as long as the kid or teenager gets fed and medical care, how is it wrong? why can't i have legal sex with a child?" line of twisted reasoning.
It is pretty hard to find a country where prostitution is illegal, that we would hold up as a very shining example of a nation that we would wish to emulate.
As usual, Canada turns out to be one of the more civilized places:
Prostitution: Legal
Must be done in private places. Cannot be done in a brothel. Solicitation in public places is illegal.
Brothel Ownership: Illegal
Owning a "Bawdy House" can be punishable by up to 2 years in prison.
Pimping: Illegal
Anyone who "lives wholly or in part on the avails of prostitution of another person" can be sentenced up to 10 years.
As many know, Prostitution is legal in certain Counties in the State of Nevada.
The Brothels where the ladies work are inspected regularly as are the working girls. These Brothels do not hire under age girls.
Yet, in the Las Vegas valley, there continues to be a problem with human smugglers bringing women and girls in, often from China and Southeast Asia and Mexico, and forcing them into a life of involuntary servitude.
The underage prostitute "problem" is just that - a PROBLEM.
Las Vegas Police (Metro) along with Federal Law Enforcement is hard at work to try to break up these human smuggling rings - and they are starting to make some progress.
Do the people who go to clubs pay to have sex with a bleeding woman, or are they there to beat up someone or be beaten up? I've never been to one. That's not my thing. I have been to the Green Door in Vegas, and they were very picky about money not changing hands. You pay to get in, and you pay for drinks. Only employees handle money, and nobody has sex with employees. So although there are people having sex there, nobody is getting paid to do it.
If the "bleeding woman" problem is solved simply by allowing people to pay a fee to get into a building where likeminded people have consensual sex, which may include whipping, then I don't see that there IS a problem at all. That's already legal.
She can charge what she wants regardless of legality. This is a capitalist country, after all. Surely you're not suggesting we not only legalize prostitution but also get those darn prices under control.
I've watched a reality show about some brothel in Nevada a few times. Mustang Ranch? Bunny Ranch? Chicken Ranch? Something like that. I believe sex is in the vicinity of $3000 to $5000. Not sure, though.
Really? Show me, please. Las Vegas is a major tourist destination and is renowned for its casinos. Where there's money, there are hookers--how could there not be? Prostitution is illegal in Vegas, despite the misconception. Walk down the strip and you'll see ads for escorts everywhere. They advertise as escorts or dancers or massage therapists, but they're prostitutes.
Las Vegas has the largest population by far, with about a fifth of the state's total residents living in the city proper. 1.8 million of the state's 2.6 million residents live in the Las Vegas metropolitan area. That's entirely within Clark County, and prostitution is illegal in that county.
Firstly, your "bleeding gal" demogogery efforts fall far short. There are people who enjoy S&M, or as you say "bleeding" even if such is a rarity. Such is also such a minority as to not even deserve an honorable mention on this topic.
Secondly, I lived in Vegas for three years, so I do indeed know the situation. Prostitution is illegal in Clark County and city of Vegas (and a few other palces in the state as well), and your generalization is showing in assuming that all escorts/masseurs are prostitutes as well.
Thirdly, a person isn;t going to pay a "thousand dolalrs" for ilelgal sex when for 50 bucks they can participate in perfectly legal prostitution.
Lastly, All you have managed to offer is slippery slope fallacies and strawmen to support your views, all unsupported by plain facts and forwarded by mere generalization. Prostitution is indeed the Oldest Profession. It isn't going anywhere, laws have not eliminated it. It is high time to drop yet another draconian mentality and tap into a taxable industry while lowering crime.
Firstly, your "bleeding gal" demogogery efforts fall far short. There are people who enjoy S&M, or as you say "bleeding" even if such is a rarity. Such is also such a minority as to not even deserve an honorable mention on this topic.
You are the person who said the only bestiality and pedophilia would remain illegal. I was merely pointing out that your words were probably an overstatement.
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Secondly, I lived in Vegas for three years, so I do indeed know the situation. Prostitution is illegal in Clark County and city of Vegas (and a few other palces in the state as well), and your generalization is showing in assuming that all escorts/masseurs are prostitutes as well.
I don't know where you're going with this. I asked you to show me that Nevada's prostitution rates are the lowest in the country or whatever you said. The fact that you lived in Las Vegas and believe that the thousands upon thousands of escorts there are not hookers does not impress me.
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Thirdly, a person isn;t going to pay a "thousand dolalrs" for ilelgal sex when for 50 bucks they can participate in perfectly legal prostitution.
That's like saying nobody is going to buy a Ferrari when there are perfectly good Hondas to be had. Of course some women are going to charge $1000 dollars, and of course some men are going to pay it. Why? Because they can.
Edited for clarity: I am not claiming that prices are high merely because prostitution is illegal. I feel that's what you think I am saying. I am not, and I don't think that prices will be significantly less even if it were legal. If prostitution is legalized, there will still be $1000 hookers and some that charge much more. There is no reason for there not to be. And by the way, why would someone pay for a hooker at all, when sex can be had pretty easily for free on places like Craigslist?
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Lastly, All you have managed to offer is slippery slope fallacies and strawmen to support your views, all unsupported by plain facts and forwarded by mere generalization. Prostitution is indeed the Oldest Profession. It isn't going anywhere, laws have not eliminated it. It is high time to drop yet another draconian mentality and tap into a taxable industry while lowering crime.
I did provide some very plain facts in my last post to you. I mentioned how approximately 75% of Nevada's residents live in Clark County (fact) and that prostitution is illegal there (fact), whereupon I asked you to show me how a city renowned for money and excess could have such a low incidence of prostitution, as you claim it does. You haven't shown me yet--you just keep insisting you know what you're talking about. I'm willing to believe you, but I'd like to see some reputable evidence. I did see a link to the Dept of Justice's report that Las Vegas is a hotspot for human trafficking. I'm looking for something on par with that.
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