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Old 12-12-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: southern california
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bek throwing money at people does not make them behave better.
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Old 12-12-2009, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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...but the question that I raised was, "Did the workers also advance?" Without numbers measuring the before and after economic impact, all we have is conjecture. Conjecture is never a good way to establish national policies.
Considering that the workers and their families constitute the huge bulk of the society as a whole, the wellbeing of the whole society reflects the advance of the workers.
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Old 12-12-2009, 06:20 PM
 
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It's easy for us, but not for the overseas sweatshop workers that pound out cheap stuff for us to consume. We can pork out because someone on the other side of the world goes without.

Globalism actually encourages poverty and the exploitation of many for the benefit of the few, and if you want to eradicate it, you will need to get rid of Walmart, and every other global corporation that profits from the current system.
Globalism does recreat poverty;quite the opposite;it creats things at the cheapest price. Those who would like to control prices and charge the highest price for their own benefit seem tot hink so ;tho.If you look it is the greddy people that do not want cxompetition so they can charge higher prices for their own reward such as in the past when there were limited products to buy and they chaged the price that they wanted based on their own greed.
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Old 12-12-2009, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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Considering that the workers and their families constitute the huge bulk of the society as a whole, the wellbeing of the whole society reflects the advance of the workers.

OK so are there any numbers supporting or identifing anything?
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Old 12-12-2009, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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OK so are there any numbers supporting or identifing anything?
Depends on what you consider to be wellbeing of society. Public health? Longevity? Nutrition? Education? Porcelain toilets? Take your pick. There are statistics for all of them.

I doubt it if is necessary to link to statistical tables for all of them.
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Old 12-12-2009, 10:04 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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Depends on what you consider to be wellbeing of society. Public health? Longevity? Nutrition? Education? Porcelain toilets? Take your pick. There are statistics for all of them.

I doubt it if is necessary to link to statistical tables for all of them.
In other words, No...
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Old 12-12-2009, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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Depends on what you consider to be wellbeing of society. Public health? Longevity? Nutrition? Education? Porcelain toilets? Take your pick. There are statistics for all of them.

I doubt it if is necessary to link to statistical tables for all of them.
What about per capita GDP, or median family income?
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Old 12-13-2009, 04:06 AM
 
Location: In a house
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Social Utopia is an unnatural thing and as such will never come about.
How do you make people become productive if they refuse?
The folks in these sweat shops would starve if they did not work, if we let the poor starve they would find work too & then maybe our service people would be Americans & speak English, would do alot for illegal immigration too if American poor people were doing the jobs they flock here for.

But in the end we will always have "haves & have nots" because we will always have ambitious & lazy people. Since we feed those lazy folks for free there will never be any incentive for them to lower themselves & become productive.
Besides the fact that at this point our wealth is imaginary and still being squandered by the current idiot in charge.
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Old 12-13-2009, 05:57 AM
 
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Things will get really interesting once small-scale/molecular-level fabrication machines come into widespread use. At that point, using only a few basic inputs, you could feed your machine (which would basically be a very sophisticated 3D printer) a program, and it would spit out a huge range of consumer products.

We use money as a way to manage scarcity. However, if scarcity in a large sector of the economy was suddenly removed, what would happen?

We're not really sure. But it will be interesting.
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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What about per capita GDP, or median family income?
You can measure longevity in years, which remain constant. How do you measure GDP or income over time? How does our median family income compare with that of the pre-Colombian Incas, or gold miners in the Klondike, or an Amish community, or North Koreans? When a postage stamp cost 2 cents and a 3-minute long distance phone call cost 2 dollars, what did a dollar measure? The average Indonesian worker makes 35,000 rupiah per day. Does that make him rich? That's enough to buy a Big Mac, or ride the bus 150 miles. So what does it measure? The average American worker barely makes enough per day to take a 150-mile bus trip.

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