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You said you wouldn't provide anyone with garbage. Fast food provides people with garbage. McDonald's doesn't offer heroin, but it is more comparable than you think.
If a person only used heroin as much as you eat hamburgers, then that person would be perfectly healthy.
On the other hand, a person eating hamburgers as much as your hypothetical junkie, that person would have noticeable physical ailments as well. As I'm sure you know, fast food causes tremendous health hazards. The only thing missing is the withdrawal symptoms.
But... I know many fat slobs who hold down jobs and are productive. I've never known an addicted junkie to hold down much of anything. The only time that has ever happened is if the person is some sort of mega rich starlet or something. She has so much money, she can get her goods every day. Most have blown most all of their fortunes doing it. For the typical person, it's, if not a death sentence, at least a sentence to a horrible life.
Seriously, I have a cousin who has to weight at least 400 lbs. He drove a truck for a bread company. The guy would stop at every burger joint along his route all day every day. Did it for years. Now he's retired and although really obese, still functioning a fairly normal life. Do you think that would have worked out for him the same had he been hooked on heroin? No way. Within a few months, has paycheck wouldn't have covered his addiction and he'd have lost his job. As it is, he's certainly got a higher chance of keeling over with a sudden heart attack, but he's not a whacked out, stuttering, trembling freak.
Nope. I have worked as a cook at steakhouse, though. We didn't offer heroin on the menu; I'd doubt if McDonalds does either. Seriously, if you equate eating a greasy hamburger with shooting up with heroin on the 'dangers to the body and mind' list, you should work on that logic a bit. .
The McDonalds reference did not arise with reference to heroin, but in response this this comment of yours:
Besides, I don't view the body as a chemistry experiment--it has its own extremely complex chemical processes. Throwing garbage into the system will only result in getting garbage in return. I certainly don't want to be responsible for throwing garbage into someone else's system. If they want to do that to themselves, so be it. But it won't be coming from me.
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But... I know many fat slobs who hold down jobs and are productive. I've never known an addicted junkie to hold down much of anything. .
. . . a pretty high proportion of workers on oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico spend nearly all their shore time zoned out on pot, and usually meth as well. I know one whose sister owns a meth lab. How many of them take their addiction out to the rig with them, I have no idea. But they make so much money, they can afford any drug.
by fellow dealers? You're in some sort of situation wherein you are protected by a shady government and underworld ties. It's utterly safe from the perspective of personal physical risk; your involvement will give thousands of people more access to heroin.
Would you do it? Please only respond if you feel like explaining and defending your choice. It's the debate section, after all.
No. It is illegal whether you were to be caught or not. People who live beyond the law are uncivilized. How many law enforcement people would we need to control a society that only does right if they are afraid of being caught. We could lower taxes if people who live uncivilized lives like this would change their ways and decide to live right.
The McDonalds reference did not arise with reference to heroin, but in response this this comment of yours:
Besides, I don't view the body as a chemistry experiment--it has its own extremely complex chemical processes. Throwing garbage into the system will only result in getting garbage in return. I certainly don't want to be responsible for throwing garbage into someone else's system. If they want to do that to themselves, so be it. But it won't be coming from me.
Yes, I know McDonalds doles out garbage. But, let's not equate heroin with a burger. They may both be garbage, but I'm going to insist here that heroin is more dangerous than a burger for many reasons. I'm going to assume that statistics would back this up. To imply otherwise, is in my opinion quite ludicrous. As I've mentioned before, I've seen quite a number of drug and alcohol basket cases. Yes, I've seen some heart attacks due to bad eating habits, but those people (that I've known) led productive lives until they met their end. That's seldom the case with a drug addict.
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. . . a pretty high proportion of workers on oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico spend nearly all their shore time zoned out on pot, and usually meth as well. I know one whose sister owns a meth lab. How many of them take their addiction out to the rig with them, I have no idea. But they make so much money, they can afford any drug.
And you've never seen a fat construction worker with the dreaded 'plumber's crack' (his ass is showing)?
If you want to equate heroin to hamburgers, that is your prerogative. But I know you're smarter than that.
"Everything Hitler did was legal. Everything the Hungarian Freedom Fighters did was illegal." ---Nelson Mandela (one of those uncivilized people who lived beyond the law)
No, I'm not a people person. I hate selling stuff/asking people for money and always have since I was a kid. I don't want to deal with the stupid public that does heroin. I can't imagine a smart business person cultivating a clientele of customers with short life spans, either. How do you get out of bed and fake it every day if you think they're all jerks?
The country wasn't built on "Protestant work ethic," as the cliche' goes. This country was built on the same principle that every other country, tribe and nation was built on in the course of human history: The strong taking advantage of the weak.
It's a necessary part of civilization, and happens in less obvious ways all around us. I don't even feel it necessary to delve into the moral hypocrisy of working for XYZ Corp who does XYZ awful thing(most of them) while rejected heroin dealing on moral grounds. That's a secondary aside.
The country wasn't built on "Protestant work ethic," as the cliche' goes. This country was built on the same principle that every other country, tribe and nation was built on in the course of human history: The strong taking advantage of the weak.
It's a necessary part of civilization, and happens in less obvious ways all around us.I don't even feel it necessary to delve into the moral hypocrisy of working for XYZ Corp who does XYZ awful thing(most of them) while rejected heroin dealing on moral grounds. That's a secondary aside.
Okay, but let us not hear any griping about "welfare cheats" who "suck off the teat of public money" because they are "lazy drug-addicted, garbage." That - in a nutshell - is the single biggest hypocrisy there is IMHO. I see so many judgemental people who live in glass houses while hurling stones, and I frankly find it pathetic.
Personally, I wouldn't no matter whether I were to get caught or not. I have what is called a "conscience" and that "conscience" (which by the way is pretty agnostic in general) won't allow me to profit from others absolute demise. I'd feel the same way working for legal drug pushers (since let's face it, the grand secret - well, except maybe to Rush Limbaugh anyway) is that prescription opiate drug abuse is even worse than what the average corner addict shoots up (IMHO) mainly because it's very insidious indeed. This is especially true if you've got sufficient cash to see doctors who will prescribe even more of this crap. It's much easier to hide.
Let us just take the illegality out of the system and have the market set the availability and price along with a minimal tax to fund a recovery system. That way the junkies that could continue to function would do so, the ones that wanted to quit would get help and the suicides would die. This is tough, but not as tough or costly as the current mess because, among other things, there would be no monopoly criminal profit.
No. I wouldn;t even allow the government to promote and tax such things that destroy so many lifes.I would fight to prevent such a government policy that allows this and profits but it in revenues.
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