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Old 04-19-2010, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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That is a risk in any system. The more constitutional protection of the individual we keep/add the better chance we have of keeping the elite at bay. Plus by rolling back many of the changes we had made over the last hundred years or so would help. We could also limit lobbying to trying to protect freedom of the individual, not take it away.

Getting back to the idea of a republic vs. democracy would help also.
Hmm. North Korea and Cuba are republics. Canada and Norway are not.

Your point may be well taken, but just flipping a buzzword into the discussion does little to help clarity.
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Old 04-20-2010, 05:20 AM
 
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Whenever somebody tells me, "I vote the straight Republican/Democratic party ticket," I look for the lobotomy scars. Preferring the Democrats over the Republicans (Or vice versa) is like choosing the Crips over the Bloods. Both are nothing more than gangs of thugs looting the treasury to enrich a very small group of people. Neither of them care about the fate of the country--or you.

So you as a citizen have a duty to vote for the person, not the party. If you do otherwise, you are a traitor to the Republic, as much so as if you had sold military secrets to a hostile foreign power.
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:42 AM
 
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Whenever somebody tells me, "I vote the straight Republican/Democratic party ticket," I look for the lobotomy scars. Preferring the Democrats over the Republicans (Or vice versa) is like choosing the Crips over the Bloods. Both are nothing more than gangs of thugs looting the treasury to enrich a very small group of people. Neither of them care about the fate of the country--or you.

So you as a citizen have a duty to vote for the person, not the party. If you do otherwise, you are a traitor to the Republic, as much so as if you had sold military secrets to a hostile foreign power.
So, you're saying one should vote for a thug depending on some other criteria besides which gang he belongs to? And I'm a traitor if I refuse to dutifully validate the thugocracy with my vote? And circumventing an immoral one-sided profiteering attack on a defenseless country by giving away military secrets is a bad idea?
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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So, you're saying one should vote for a thug depending on some other criteria besides which gang he belongs to? And I'm a traitor if I refuse to dutifully validate the thugocracy with my vote? And circumventing an immoral one-sided profiteering attack on a defenseless country by giving away military secrets is a bad idea?
Well, really? You believe one political party is on the side of angels while the other is not? That would make one a dupe, my friend.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:36 AM
 
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Well, really? You believe one political party is on the side of angels while the other is not? That would make one a dupe, my friend.
Are you and I on the same planet? Read what I wrote and get back to me.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:55 AM
 
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Are you and I on the same planet? Read what I wrote and get back to me.
Speaking of profiteering, let's just run down Obama's campaign contributions. The guy has been bought and sold by the big banks, so much so that he appointed Geithner as the Secretary of the Treasury, all so we can keep funding the most outrageous theft of public funds in history.

As I said, neither side has anywhere close to clean hands. And only a nitwit would argue otherwise.

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Old 04-20-2010, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Speaking of profiteering, let's just run down Obama's campaign contributions. The guy has been bought and sold by the big banks, so much so that he appointed Geithner as the Secretary of the Treasury, all so we can keep funding the most outrageous theft of public funds in history.

As I said, neither side has anywhere close to clean hands. And only a nitwit would argue otherwise.

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I have absolutely no idea where you are coming from on this. Simply because I used the term "profiteering" in my post, which otherwise said the exact, diametrical opposite of what you interpreted it to say?

We were warned against the military industrial complex by a Republican president. Two Democratic presidents whipped up and fanned the flames of the Viet Nam war. A Democratic president bombed the aspirin factory in Sudan.

Please---go back to my original post, and tell me where I implied that one political party is on the side of angels while the other is not.

Here's my post again, to save you the trouble of looking for it:

So, you're saying one should vote for a thug depending on some other criteria besides which gang he belongs to? And I'm a traitor if I refuse to dutifully validate the thugocracy with my vote? And circumventing an immoral one-sided profiteering attack on a defenseless country by giving away military secrets is a bad idea?
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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Hmm. North Korea and Cuba are republics. Canada and Norway are not.

Your point may be well taken, but just flipping a buzzword into the discussion does little to help clarity.
But they are not republics with a strong constitution that protects the rights of the individual against the whims of the majority.
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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But they are not republics with a strong constitution that protects the rights of the individual against the whims of the majority.
They function as republics, and have constitutions very similar to our own. The main difference is that they outlaw political parties more liberally than we do. The only political party in the US that I know of that was made illegal was the Communist party, but I'm sure the Nazi party would have banned, too, and a pro-slavery party probably would be now. So, even republics have the authority to ban political parties.

Did I mention that Iran is also a republic, and as of the latest update of Wikipedia, had 223 registered political parties. Iran's constitution guarantees even more rights than the US Constitution does, for example, to furnish all citizens with equal and appropriate opportunities, to provide them with work, and to satisfy their essential needs, so that the course of their progress may be assured.
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Old 04-22-2010, 10:30 AM
 
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Hmm. North Korea and Cuba are republics. Canada and Norway are not.

Your point may be well taken, but just flipping a buzzword into the discussion does little to help clarity.
And just flipping a buzzword into the name of a communist country, doesn't make it a republic, but I guess the attraction of the cheap shot, is just to much for some posters to resist.
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