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Old 12-23-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: DC
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There are trivial fixes to all your "problems" and as I stated earlier, one can always install an exchanger to bring in conditioned outside air. Claiming asthma is a result is rich from someone who promotes coal combustion.
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:05 AM
 
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Claiming asthma is a result is rich from someone who promotes coal combustion.
I guess the difference between me and yourself is I'm able to set aside the media propaganda machine and examine the facts myself. The facts are we have drastically cut outdoor air pollution in the same time we have seen a dramatic increase in asthma cases, unless you are going to suggest decreased pollution is causing this increase then there is some other factor at play here. So the question is what might that be?

The largest change in peoples lives in this same time frame that is going to negatively impact the air quality is in their homes which I have already outlined.

That DC is what you call a rational and well thought out argument. The EPA and other organizations will continue to use this as propaganda tool at the expense of peoples health becsue they are not addressing what the real issue is. You can either be part of the problem, or part of the solution. I'll choose to be part of the solution by pointing out the facts.
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Old 12-23-2013, 10:22 AM
 
Location: DC
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The coal industry will go down swinging, just like the tobacco industry. Both claiming a lack of harm.
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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That DC is what you call a rational and well thought out argument.
No. it's what I call a popular fallacy. Correlation does not imply causation.
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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No. it's what I call a popular fallacy. Correlation does not imply causation.
Are you referring to the air pollution, houses, or both?

As far as the air pollution goes you can make that argument but you'd also need a plausible reason why a decrease in air pollution is causing an increase in asthma case. Do you really want to go down that road? LOL

As far as the houses go that is my opinion and I think it's just common sense. If you want research it through the medical community (actual medical journals) you'll find that is one the main things they are considering to be the cause.
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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Are you referring to the air pollution, houses, or both?
I'm referring to the fallacy you used to make your argument.

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As far as the air pollution goes you can make that argument but you'd also need a plausible reason why a decrease in air pollution is causing an increase in asthma case. Do you really want to go down that road? LOL
But there is no proof that a decrease in air pollution is causing an increase in asthma. That's the point. They may be totally unrelated. Conjecture isn't proof. Proof is proof.

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As far as the houses go that is my opinion and I think it's just common sense.
That and a few bucks will get you a cheap coffee at Starbucks. "Common sense" fools people all the time, because it is all based on the past, and therefore commonly fails when unique new situations arise.

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If you want research it through the medical community (actual medical journals) you'll find that is one the main things they are considering to be the cause.
Considering, yes. But it's not the only candidate, and is unlikely to be the strongest case. One might try to follow a string of evidence to establish an unintended consequence arising out attempts to conserve energy, therefore yadda yadda... but to try to show that reduced air pollution CAUSES asthma? Sorry, that's rhetorical overreach, not medical theory.
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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Is a "draughty" home one where it hasn't rained inside for a long time? Did you mean "drafty?"
Clearly the OP, posting a London article, was using the correct spelling for his location.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Definition of draughty in English
draughty
Pronunciation: /ˈdrɑːfti/
(US drafty)

adjective (draughtier, draughtiest; draftier, draftiest)

(of an enclosed space) cold and uncomfortable because of currents of cool air:
anyone would get pneumonia living in that draughty old house

(of a door or window) ill-fitting and allowing in currents of cool air:
fix plastic foam strips around draughty windows

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Old 12-24-2013, 05:48 AM
 
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... but to try to show that reduced air pollution CAUSES asthma? Sorry, that's rhetorical overreach, not medical theory.
I never said that.

What I said was:

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unless you are going to suggest decreased pollution is causing this increase then there is some other factor at play here.
That other factor would be indoor air pollution.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:05 AM
 
Location: DC
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200 thousand deaths avoided by the clean air act. Many more to be saved as we phase out coal fired generation.
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