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I'm not sure what this has do do with my point, which was that wind turbines don't encumber much ground. And don't worry for every one you stop, five more will go in elsewhere. Farmers are falling all over themselves to lease easements.
Would you allow the building of warehouses on public land?? Industrial wind areas have the same ecological effect except they spin.
The same people who said just leave footprints all of a sudden have no problem ruining millions of acres with behemoth structures and crisscrossing supply roads. Footprints?
The same people who said just leave footprints all of a sudden have no problem ruining millions of acres with behemoth structures and crisscrossing supply roads. Footprints?
As far as I know we don't put wind turbines in National Parks. BLM land is not meant to be pristine. It's meant to be used commercially.
Originally Posted by DCforever
Wind turbines encumber about 1 acre/turbine.
Not really. The pads they stand on are a couple hundred square feet. The rest of the ground under them are usable for growing crops or raising livestock. That's why many farmers are happy to sign a lease that pays them $5K lease per year per tower, because it doesn't interfere that much with normal farming underneath.
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You should keep up with setback rules. All areas are different but here it's 5 rotor diameters North and South and 3 diameters East and west from the property line and 3 diameters from another unit.
That's where you are, not everywhere. And the rising interest in VAWT designs, which use a vertical spiral blade design in place of the common three-bladed "propeller" HAWT design, renders rules like this obsolete, and in need of reworking to suit an entirely different geometry.
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Would you allow the building of warehouses on public land?? Industrial wind areas have the same ecological effect except they spin.
Keep in mind the choice is not wind farms or nothing. The choice is wind farms... which do not pollute the air... or fossil fuel sources which do. Wind farms do not cause huge toxic spills which kill countless wildlife and and ruin their habitat. Wind farms are not involved with fiery train wrecks with destroy property and kill people and animals. Wind farms do not require carving the tops of mountains off to expose the coal seams underneath. Wind farms do not pollute underground water supplies nor cause earthquakes like fracking for oil and gas do. Wind farms do not require huge refineries to process their fuel... which is free, and which is renewable.
Whatever you don't like about wind farms or solar farms, the currently available traditional choices are worse.
OpenD, my experience is that most developers fence about an acre of ground around each turbine. Some of that obviously depends upon what foundation type is used, but an acre is a pretty good thumb rule. Maybe some developers don't fence their turbines but that seems strange.
You obviously don't travel much. Out in the Great Plains there are entire states that have a population less than a good sized city.
Population of a state has nothing to do with surplus land. Obviously your travels didn't provide you with clues to figure that out.
The logic or lack thereof in your comment is amazing.
In my travels I did know enough to understand that just because there isn't someone standing on every acre of land holding up a sign proclaiming ownership doesn't mean no one owns the land or that they aren't using it.
Ultimately I benefit from more wind towers. I just hate to look at the things.... The more that go up the more fossil fueled power plants I get to build!
Could people use "BLM land" to ride ATVs, have off road races or use for dirt bikes?
I think that happens already. Atvs can really tear up the place so there need to be limits.
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