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Old 05-25-2021, 12:48 PM
 
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What would be your proposal to prevent that if it were happening? After all we have had interglacials.
Not much real to propose other than moving inland. Higher Ground, as it were. Run away.

I suppose NYC will become a Scuba Park?

But towards your "after all" . . . . When you mix time-periods like inter-glacial(s) which are 10s of thousands to 100s of thousands of years -- with a short time period like Human caused CO2 rise -- which has only been the last 200 or so years -- it looks like you may be completely confused on the concepts, or maybe even a mis-direction?

IF this were occurring across 1000s of years, it would not likely even be noticeable. But at the rate things are changing we have few good options.
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Old 05-25-2021, 06:23 PM
 
Location: DC
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What would be your proposal to prevent that if it were happening? After all we have had interglacials.
Curtail coal consumption. Accelerate research on algae based fuel. Put a $1B prize on development of a commercially viable algae based fuel. It's really not complicated.
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Old 05-26-2021, 02:07 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Curtail coal consumption. Accelerate research on algae based fuel. Put a $1B prize on development of a commercially viable algae based fuel. It's really not complicated.
So many FeelGood answers from do-gooders.

Do the arithmetic-- even if we could pack algal cells as closely together as vascular plants pack their own cells (we can't), what volume of algal cultures, over how long a period of time would it take to replace petroleum reserves?

Mother Nature took plants growing 80 ft high over thousands & thousands of square miles over millions & millions (do I sound like Carl Sagen?) of years to produce our oil supplies...No industrial process will come even close (and we don't even have to get into the economics of it).

For the other arguments above-- (a) warming is NOT occurring any faster now than it has in the past, and (2) still no evidence co2 has anything at all to do with warming (It's a theory with no experimental evidence to support it, and the observational evidence is very weakly correlated.)--You still have to explain why co2 levels have increased by almost 50% since 1880 and continue to rise, but temps have not changed significantly in 25 yrs now.
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Old 05-26-2021, 05:04 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Mother Nature took plants growing 80 ft high over thousands & thousands of square miles over millions & millions (do I sound like Carl Sagen?) of years to produce our oil supplies...No industrial process will come even close (and we don't even have to get into the economics of it).
Anyone ever notice how "global warming" suddenly became an issue when the "energy crisis" was no longer constraining domestic oil consumption or economic growth? And bear in mind, the same types of people used and now use each as an excuse to strangle growth through feel-good projects, regulation and taxation.

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Old 05-26-2021, 07:01 PM
 
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It must be strange being a science-denier and living in a world of "alternative facts".
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Old 05-26-2021, 07:46 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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It must be strange being a science-denier and living in a world of "alternative facts".
It must be strange living in a world where name calling trumps argument.
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Old 05-26-2021, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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Curtail coal consumption. Accelerate research on algae based fuel. Put a $1B prize on development of a commercially viable algae based fuel. It's really not complicated.
Billions have already been spent trying to make algae a viable fuel source, but until crude oil hits about $500 a barrel, algae won't be a competitor.
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Indeed, an employee of algae-based bioproducts firm Cellana has told BI that crude would have to be around $500/bbl for algae biofuels to compete successfully.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exxon...180000390.html

Simulations of microalgal biofuel production show that to approach the 10% of EU transport fuels expected to be supplied by biofuels, they would need ponds the size of the state of Maine, and that algae would require just under 140,000 tons of fertilizer.
https://theconversation.com/algal-bi...tainable-82095
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