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Old 05-05-2016, 01:32 PM
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Old 05-06-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:51 AM
 
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Sorry but I fully support wind as well as solar. You'll hear no complaining from myself. The birds will adapt to learn to avoid hitting them as an adaptation mechanism. The potential for wind energy in the great plains, including where I live in eastern South Dakota, is enormous. It's windy all the time out here, constantly.. with certain areas being exceptionally well suited to their use because of the terrain and topography.

The anti-wind crowd on the left has always kind of baffled me... I suppose if they've never left the state of CA or been in flyover territory they don't realize how desolate some areas of the US are. It's not going to harm the view in the vast majority of areas out here, if anything they enhance the view. There's huge untapped potential in western south dakota as well.

http://apps2.eere.energy.gov/wind/wi.../wind_maps.asp

the great plains have tremendous potential for wind energy....
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Old 05-11-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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Sorry but I fully support wind as well as solar. You'll hear no complaining from myself. The birds will adapt to learn to avoid hitting them as an adaptation mechanism. The potential for wind energy in the great plains, including where I live in eastern South Dakota, is enormous. It's windy all the time out here, constantly.. with certain areas being exceptionally well suited to their use because of the terrain and topography.

The anti-wind crowd on the left has always kind of baffled me... I suppose if they've never left the state of CA or been in flyover territory they don't realize how desolate some areas of the US are. It's not going to harm the view in the vast majority of areas out here, if anything they enhance the view. There's huge untapped potential in western south dakota as well.

WINDExchange: Utility-Scale Land-Based 80-Meter Wind Maps

the great plains have tremendous potential for wind energy....
Agree.

I can understand the desire to limit wind turbines in scenic areas, but on the Great Plains, there's A) not much scenery and B) lot's of wind.

Even in more scenic areas (for example, along an Appalachian mountain ridge) wind turbines don't look bad (IMO) if they are regularly spaced.
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Old 05-11-2016, 11:20 AM
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.......................The birds will adapt to learn to avoid hitting them as an adaptation mechanism............

..................The anti-wind crowd on the left has always kind of baffled me... I suppose if they've never left the state of CA or been in flyover territory they don't realize how desolate some areas of the US are. It's not going to harm the view in the vast majority of areas out here, if anything they enhance the view. There's huge untapped potential in western south dakota as well.................

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Hmm, maybe we should pass a law requiring eagles to practice good parenting skills and tell the eaglets about the dangers of Industrial Wind Areas.

Your desolate lands.....is where I live. If you want electricity...generate it where YOU live.
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Old 05-11-2016, 03:20 PM
 
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I wonder if there might be some sort of small attachment that would create a sound that could ward off birds as the blades turn? Not being an ornithologist i don't know if bird's hearing is acute enough for such a thing. Are there sounds birds hear that humans don't?
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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Modern wind turbine cause few problems with birds. They only rotate at about 12 RPM. The birds can see them. Poor siting and high speed rotors in older machines remain a problem. Early retrofits are the answer.
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:42 PM
 
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And before Obama, they killed eagles with Bush's permission. Where were you back then, OP?
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:43 PM
 
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Your desolate lands.....is where I live. If you want electricity...generate it where YOU live.
Would actually make more sense, economically AND "green-ish"

Big Wind has been so (over, at this point) built due to some of the out-fall from Recovery.gov Grants and the Investment Tax Credit (2.2 cents per kWh) -- which for some dumb reason, only Wind got -- not Solar (hmmmm.) The Recovery.gov grants run through the end of this year.

Local Power Production for Local Power Consumption (like you are saying) is the Best for all practical purposes. A cluster of Small Local Renewable -- sometimes called a Micro Grid -- can stand alone, and has no losses or Transmission Costs. Various Local Micro Grids can tie together and give each "back-up" and then tie-in to larger Grids for either sending or receiving power, depending on local site conditions.

(notice there was NO Big Wind in any of that).

Big Wind seems to be well-suited for some industrial processes -- e.g., making Hydrogen, Pumping / Cleaning Water, along with General Purpose for Spring and Fall, especially at night (those are when the wind blows best).
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Old 05-12-2016, 08:12 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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...The birds will adapt to learn to avoid hitting them as an adaptation mechanism.
But they can't adapt to Global Warming?


The wind turbine industry exists solely because the Feds subsidize them. Those subsidies are due to expire soon. Watch for the turbines to go offline.

The Greenies will respond that the Feds also subsidize Big Oil. Answer: BS. That's a $Trillion dollar industry and oil depletion allowance only saves them $1 Billion /yr-- less than 0.1% in benefits.
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