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Old 11-15-2016, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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Short term Gains. As long as it is profitable in the short term, they will do it. I think the majority of Americans are ok with this as long as it isn't in their back yard. As long as they benifit from a well paying oil, gas, coal or manufacturing job, who cares if the air and water are polluted. There is a reason why education matters. We are in uncharted territory . "Drill baby drill" is now considered a viable federal policy . Palin will soon be sec of the interior. She can turn our public lands into profit.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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Is believing in a fraud such as man-made "climate change" mandatory?
In case the first several pages of this thread didn't provide a sufficient hint: Yes.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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Short term Gains. As long as it is profitable in the short term, they will do it. I think the majority of Americans are ok with this as long as it isn't in their back yard. As long as they benifit from a well paying oil, gas, coal or manufacturing job, who cares if the air and water are polluted. There is a reason why education matters. We are in uncharted territory . "Drill baby drill" is now considered a viable federal policy . Palin will soon be sec of the interior. She can turn our public lands into profit.
Education does matter, that is why oil companies and investors are stacked with highly educated people. The CEO of Exxon has a BS in civil engineering for example.

Palin is another educated person, she has a degree in communications.

Trump also is educated, with a degree in economics.

Education meaning who has a college degree, the same criteria used to determine who is educated when evaluating voters.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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I never said college degree. One can be highly educated about one topic but have a lack of education about another. The right will defend the destruction of our environment right up until the water is at your front door. Propaganda for profit. Its the consumers who will suffer because they are not educated on climate change.
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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I never said college degree. One can be highly educated about one topic but have a lack of education about another. The right will defend the destruction of our environment right up until the water is at your front door. Propaganda for profit. Its the consumers who will suffer because they are not educated on climate change.
Well, there needs to be a standard when speaking of "educated", because over on the politics board and in the media, the claim of "Trump's supporters are not educated" is due to the lack of college attainment by many of them, and a college degree is being used as the standard to determine if a person is educated or not.

It cannot be convenient to use in one instance, but not another...

But at that; how are you measuring if someone is "educated"?

The Democrats have not been kind to the environment as well, that is wealthy Democrat advocates, who live a rather luxurious and resource intense lifestyle, up there advocating for the Democrat party and even advocating for the environment all the while living in 20,000 square foot mansions and flying on private planes. Republicans do the same thing, but I find them not to be such hypocrites in this area.
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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I never said college degree. One can be highly educated about one topic but have a lack of education about another. The right will defend the destruction of our environment right up until the water is at your front door. Propaganda for profit. Its the consumers who will suffer because they are not educated on climate change.
So you don't actually mean "educated," you're just using the word as a euphemism for "indoctrinated."
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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What can we do to prevent that ? It is my concern as well. Will they listen to the environmentalist lobbying?
We can't do anything to prevent it. It's happening and unless you get China, India, and other top polluters to change nothing we do will really matter.
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Old 11-15-2016, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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As for the person who thinks the EPA should be dismantled, pollution knows no boundaries. One of the reasons the EPA exists is because if one state decides to pollute there section of a river that flows into another state those people have no recourse. Federal protection of resources we all rely on make sense.
Same goes with soil and air especially near borders. New York City pollution effects New Jersey and Connecticut fairly easily as does Kansas City pollution to both Missouri and Kansas.
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Old 11-15-2016, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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We can't do anything to prevent it. It's happening and unless you get China, India, and other top polluters to change nothing we do will really matter.
I agree, especially China because it gets so bad people wear surgical masks (which to be fair some really sick people in Arizona do) in normal conditions.
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Old 11-15-2016, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Well, there needs to be a standard when speaking of "educated", because over on the politics board and in the media, the claim of "Trump's supporters are not educated" is due to the lack of college attainment by many of them, and a college degree is being used as the standard to determine if a person is educated or not.

It cannot be convenient to use in one instance, but not another...

But at that; how are you measuring if someone is "educated"?

The Democrats have not been kind to the environment as well, that is wealthy Democrat advocates, who live a rather luxurious and resource intense lifestyle, up there advocating for the Democrat party and even advocating for the environment all the while living in 20,000 square foot mansions and flying on private planes. Republicans do the same thing, but I find them not to be such hypocrites in this area.
Let's clear up something. Democrats are a far reaching concept. There are many who claim that center-right Republicans became Democrats (they are called "blue-dogs"), there's also center-left, traditional liberals and far left, even socialists (whether democratic or not.) Not all are pro-environment at all. Yes the EPA is a cause taken on by Democrats, but most don't walk the walk. Only a few do and they are typically far-left, even Green Party leaning Democrats. Most Democrats are more center-right to center-left, it's just that compared to highly conservative or even libertarian leaning Republicans, they seem left. Look at Obama, he's mostly center-left and the Clintons are more center-right than anything...
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