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Old 06-06-2017, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
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The issues is a sale of energy. I buy energy, not capacity from the electric company. The timing of that production and delivery is handled at the wholesale level.
You are subsidizing wind power. If that makes you feel good... fantastic.

If you are "in the field" you certainly understand there's a limit to the amount of wind power the grid can use effectively. Without some sort of base load generation you would not enjoy the 99.99+% availability we've come to expect in this country. So you do see a direct benefit from those non-green power plants, no matter what it says on your utility bill.
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Old 06-07-2017, 05:22 AM
 
Location: DC
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You are subsidizing wind power. If that makes you feel good... fantastic.

If you are "in the field" you certainly understand there's a limit to the amount of wind power the grid can use effectively. Without some sort of base load generation you would not enjoy the 99.99+% availability we've come to expect in this country. So you do see a direct benefit from those non-green power plants, no matter what it says on your utility bill.
We always want a diverse portfolio of resources -- wind, solar, hydro, biomass, controllable load, natural gas, and legacy systems being slowly phased out. There will be no sacrifice in grid reliability. The concept of base, intermediate and peaking is antiquated. Wind solar and hydro will contribute the majority of bulk energy. Other resources will contribute schedulable capacity.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
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Wind solar and hydro will contribute the majority of bulk energy. Other resources will contribute schedulable capacity.
I'm all for clean energy, but that's a pretty nice pipe dream. Roughly what year should I be expecting this to happen?

And speaking personally, I don't care to see any more hydro and its negative side effects. If anything it should be scaled back.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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You are subsidizing wind power. If that makes you feel good... fantastic.
I am just as supportive of Solar and wind power as anyone. However, it burns me that with current politics every rate-payer gets taxed to fund the subsidizing of the net-metering industry.
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Old 06-08-2017, 02:44 PM
 
Location: DC
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I'm all for clean energy, but that's a pretty nice pipe dream. Roughly what year should I be expecting this to happen?

And speaking personally, I don't care to see any more hydro and its negative side effects. If anything it should be scaled back.
If you look at the size of the US installed base of generation, it could take 20-30 years. There is a lot of generation to replace.

I doubt we will see much more large hydro in the country. Small run or the river hydro may still expand it's base.
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Old 06-08-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: DC
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I am just as supportive of Solar and wind power as anyone. However, it burns me that with current politics every rate-payer gets taxed to fund the subsidizing of the net-metering industry.
The problem isn't net metering. The problem is rate design which collects too much fixed cost in the energy charge.
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