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Another reason I eat red meat in moderation is because I believe that the hormones and antibiotics in the meat are especially bad for me as a woman.
So eat grass-fed, and buy from a rancher you know or whose reputation you know. This is more about the techniques used in raising than in meat itself.
By the way, I've heard for years about how girls are maturing so much earlier and it's all because of our diet. Anecdotally, my sister and I both started menarche very early - in my own case, at 9. This was in the 1950's, and since my Daddy grew up on a farm and his parents still had it, we had access to farm-raised food.
My daughter and nieces/great-nieces didn't start menarche until well into their teens. These are young women ranging in age, now, from 25 to 45 (my sister and I are 12 years apart in age). These are the ones who ate the diet that is being castigated now.
I've also watched the "what's bad for you, what's good for you" merry-go-round for a few decades now, and it all changes regularly depending on who has a book out or who needs a grant or what the current political atmosphere is.
All of which is to say, we don't really know diddly about how all this works, but it's very comforting to think that we do and that if we just eat the Right Things and don't eat the Wrong Things, we'll never get sick or grow old or die. And that WOULD be lovely, but it just doesn't work that way.
Let's be sure to keep this one in context to the forum - "Green Living".
So a discussion of how this topic relates to the environment would be fitting, but a discussion of what tastes better would belong in the "Food & Drink" forum, and a discussion of diet choice as it relates to personal health would belong in the "Health & Wellness" forum.
Some political overlap is fine as long as it relates to the topic at hand, otherwise - you guessed it - the "Politics and Other Controversies" forum !
There are grain fed and/or finished organic cows and their fat profile and health is just as bad as conventional grain fed cows. Cows have to be grass fed and finished to have a healthier fat profile in their meat and dairy. The organic label does not guarantee a grass fed cow.
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Agreed, Tesaje. For example, flavor is a strong motivator in choices of what to eat, and if the meat-buying populace can be convinced that meat that is raised in a more environmentally friendly manner tastes better, that's a way to motivate them to move in that direction. Since it's TRUE that grass-fed has more flavor (if less tenderness) than grain-fed, that's a topic appropriate to green discussion, I would think.
The world isn't going to go green by fiat. That's never been a long-term workable solution, no matter how often people seem to try it. (See prohibition as an example of how counter-productive such thinking/legislation is, though people are still trying it with smoking today - will they never learn? Never mind, rhetorical question.) Neither is threatening them with potential ill-health. (The "it won't happen to me factor is entirely too strong in humans.)
We need to figure out ways to seduce the world into going green, and flavor is one of them.
The carrot has always been more successful than the stick, long-term. Probably because it tastes better.
What I find interesting is that the grain is given to cattle to "fatten them up" for market. This is the same corn as that used to produce high fructose corn syrup, which is in many processed foods and beverages. If it fattens up cattle, what do you think it does to us?
All of this is a very good argument for eating natural, raw, or unprocessed foods. These foods are better for our bodies and better for the environment because they don't need the unnecessary processing that is common to most of the foods we consume.
How was that at getting this thread back on the original topic? LOL.
1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
3. The Chinese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
4. The Italians drink excessive amounts of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
The Germans drink a lot of beers and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
CONCLUSION:
Eat and drink what you like.
Speaking English is apparently what kills you.
Another reason I eat red meat in moderation is because I believe that the hormones and antibiotics in the meat are especially bad for me as a woman. Especially the hormones, and it's my personal belief that breast cancer is linked to all the hormones in our food products. So the beef that I eat is usually organic beef.[/quote]
Actually the hormones from cows are not absorbed by people and tablespoon of salad dressing (soybean oil) has about 10,000 times more estrogen in it than in a pound of beef that was implanted with a growth hormone. So, it has no link to breast cancer. As to the antibiotics, the majority of cattle receive no antibiotics or an antibiotic (tylosin) that is not absorbed from the GI system (kills some bacteria in the GI system that cause harm) and it is not used in human medicine.
The bottom line is that our beef supply is safe, healthy and nutritious when consumed in moderation in a healthy diet.
Did you know that all the anti-bacterial detergents and soaps we use get into some of our watersystems...once in the watersystem they react with other chemicals in our water systems and act as hormones.
This has cause intersex in fish (males grow eggs in their testicle tissues for example) some waterways and resevoirs have nearly 100 percent of fish effected. Some of us constantly drink these waters if we live in the right areas. Waters most effected are ones that have sewage treatment facilities. But stands to reason even septics could cause the same conditions downstream.
I just watched a big special here on the subject....everything from soaps to birth control compounds and other medications are thick in alot of our waters. consequences are mostly unknown.
So depending on where you live and where your water comes from not eating corn fed hormone treated beef wont necessarily protect you from unknown hormone ingestion.
Actually, the radio program didn't say to cut out all red meat and dairy, just be aware of the consequences of our actions. I think that many Americans eat too much red meat and too often. And cheese is worse than milk.
Another reason I eat red meat in moderation is because I believe that the hormones and antibiotics in the meat are especially bad for me as a woman. Especially the hormones, and it's my personal belief that breast cancer is linked to all the hormones in our food products. So the beef that I eat is usually organic beef.
Organic beef has many problems due to the grain they are allowed to eat. Grassfinished is the way to go, low in cholesterol, fat, high in Omega 3's, DHA, Vitamin E, Beta Carotene and CLA.
There are very visual ways of knowing if it is true grassfed
1 the fat is very yellow, if white been fed grain
2 the steaks are a reder type of meat
3 have to cook the steaks slow, can't sear them
4 grassfinished is allows NONE of the following, hormones, anitbiotics, chemicals, insecticides, GMO's, Nitrates, Preservatives, GRAIN and I only found one to actually meet these chriteria RustysGrassFinishedFoods.com
Have had their beef sausage and steaks and jerky and was awesome!! You can actually, really see the difference, after cooking some of theirs.
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