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The top set of Graphs is the US overall, and the bottom set is by region.
Take a look at the Yellow Line(s)? See the highest time of use in all areas of the US?
Summer and in the Afternoon. This is due to Air Conditioning and the Lagging Heat (or Hysteresis) from the daily heat the Sun.
2. Time of Production -- As you may know, Coal and Nukes tend to be "baseload" or the bottom line flat production.
This limits their ability to reach those daily Summer Peaks. And when more are built to attempt to reach the Peaks -- they are then surplus at night and off season(s).
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Does this make sense? We can do much more detail, if you like.
We need to stop the idea that we need to produce more electricity to satisfy the growing demand.
We need to look into reducing the demand overall and flattening out the day-time/nighttime electricity use.
How?
If it is the A/C use causes it - than we need to build better, thicker walls, more air sealing, more insulation, passive cooling etc.
If it is the industry - use industrial robots to work at nights and weekends..
More efficient appliances, look into DC use - squeeze as much as we can everywhere.
How much do we lose in distribution?
Maybe instead of those huge behemoth of wind turbines- work on small individual systems for local production for point of use?
If we have systemic issues- we need to address the whole system’s elements and even look into changing people’s behavior in order to stabilize the use of electricity.
The top set of Graphs is the US overall, and the bottom set is by region.
Take a look at the Yellow Line(s)? See the highest time of use in all areas of the US?
Summer and in the Afternoon. This is due to Air Conditioning and the Lagging Heat (or Hysteresis) from the daily heat the Sun.
2. Time of Production -- As you may know, Coal and Nukes tend to be "baseload" or the bottom line flat production.
This limits their ability to reach those daily Summer Peaks. And when more are built to attempt to reach the Peaks -- they are then surplus at night and off season(s).
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Does this make sense? We can do much more detail, if you like.
Thank you for your input
We need to stop the idea that we need to produce more electricity to satisfy the growing demand.
We need to look into reducing the demand overall and flattening out the day-time/nighttime electricity use.
How?
If it is the A/C use causes it - than we need to build better, thicker walls, more air sealing, more insulation, etc.
If it is the industry - use industrial robots to work at nights and weekends..
If we have a systemic issues- we need to address the whole system’s elements and even look into changing people’s behavior in order to stabilize the use of electricity.
How in the world do you think !Gubbermint Regullationing! somehow causes the Daily Peak and overnight drop . . . mis-matched with the Flatline Production of Nukes ???
Do you understand WHY Nukes do not work well beyond a few? (and we already have more than a few) -- Nukes produce flat. The daily load goes way up in the Daytime and down at night. Nukes are mis-match between Time-of-Use and Time-of-Production. They are a money-loss. That is why no one wants them in their system.
In any case you need a mixture of solar, wind, and nukes for optimal functioning of the grid. Winds are stronger during daytime. Installation of both wind and solar are almost cheaper than any other form thanks to economies of scale. These great plains states have an abundance of resources should they want to break away from the US in event of marxist takeover.
not so wow. You show up and they pay you. Until they go broke.
And generally a few years after the MBAs show . . . they all go broke.
MS/BSEE and 30 year Master. Generally work as (any/all at various times)
1. Owner's Rep (folks that work the money)
2. Engineers of Record (folks responsible for the design)
3. EPC (Engineering, Procurement, Contracting) (folks that do the work).
Within ERCOT, SW Power Pool, BLM, CAISO . . . and I suppose others.
Not that big of deal -- you just need to understand the Problems before you write the Prescriptions.
Maybe you can help me out here -- with following all this?
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We need to stop the idea that we need to produce more electricity to satisfy the growing demand.
How much "growing demand" do you see? I am watching US shift to LED lighting, variable frequency control motors, more efficient housing . . . . and all that adds up to a growth rate of (?) __________ (?)
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We need to look into reducing the demand overall and flattening out the day-time/nighttime electricity use.
Why do you declare an Answer before understanding the Problem(s)?
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How?
If it is the A/C use causes it - than we need to build better, thicker walls, more air sealing, more insulation, etc.
I am all for better housing for US. And the world.
But A/C does not really "cause" anything.
Maybe let us review the basics?
1. The Heat from the Sun is what drives things being warm. (duh, huh?)
2. Cooling is desired during the day through late afternoon (along with all the other day time loads.)
3. Solar PV works during the day.
Now here comes the breakthrough thinking quizlet:
Putting all that together means . . . . _______________________
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If it is the industry - use industrial robots to work at nights and weekends.
For decades now we have Time-Shifted Electricity Use into the night, to attempt to relieve the Day Time Peak(s). Some areas even offer FREE Electricity overnight. Hard to do business when you have to give away your product for FREE. Sample from Texas, below >>> https://comparepower.com/electricity...e-electricity/
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If we have a systemic issues- we need to address the whole system’s elements and even look into changing people’s behavior in order to stabilize the use of electricity.
Why not ACCEPT that folks WANT to use Electricity during the Day, along with Solar PV Produces Electricity during the day, and allow folks to actually align Time-of-Use with Time-of-Production?
No real behavior issues in that at all. Maybe except for folks with Control Issues?
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We have smart engineers- need smart policy makers
It is the Money and Business People. The Existing Grid is a HUGE Money Machine. We joke that it runs on Money -- not Electricity.
With the rise of Distributed Renewable Generation (that is the Fancy Word Talk for folks with Solar PV on their houses) -- the need for Central Plants -- Nukes, Coal, Gas, on and on -- all drops. As the use and demand for Central Plants drops -- so does the Cash Flow to the Central Plant owners and investors.
That is all this is about. Capitalists trying to get Return on Capital and Return of their Capital.
How much do we lose in distribution?
Maybe instead of those huge behemoth of wind turbines- work on small individual systems for local production for point of use?
Missed this one on return.
Losses (from Generation -> Transmission -> Substation -> Distribution) = About 5% or less.
Maybe we can do better -- HVDC will likely make that so, but it is not really a major enough thing to be the top of the list.
And yes -- the Trend Line ahead is for Small Distributed Renewable Generation -- or as noted prior -- Small, Local Solar PV.
Biggest thing against Solar PV right now is the Trump Punitive Anti-Solar PV Tariff -- which has been continued by Biden. But they both work for the same folks, so I suppose that is to be expected.
As we approach the 5th anniversary of this project, this $2.5 billion project to build a high-voltage, direct-current (HVDC) power line has been cancelled. It is just as feasible as it was five years ago, but there is a fear that the project will not make a profit.
Reports that say we can make huge changes if we only had hundreds of billions of dollars for infrastructure changes are very common.
As we approach the 5th anniversary of this project, this $2.5 billion project to build a high-voltage, direct-current (HVDC) power line has been cancelled. It is just as feasible as it was five years ago, but there is a fear that the project will not make a profit.
Reports that say we can make huge changes if we only had hundreds of billions of dollars for infrastructure changes are very common.
We propose (and kill) a LOT of projects. In the industry we call it Phase-Gate, or "Front-Load" Engineering.
At each phase of the design -- we STOP, and do an actively aggressive review AGAINST the design, and if it does not "Pass" through the Gate -- it stops progressing. This is a GOOD Thing. Stops bad projects from happening. Look at Vogtle (huge boondoggle Nuke) for a contrast.
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somehow causes the Daily Peak and overnight drop . . . mis-matched with the Flatline Production of Nukes ???
